All things related to multicast

[John Zwiebel <>]

On Monday, May 13, 2002, at 04:26 PM, David Meyer wrote:

> So are you in favor of just leaving MSDP where it is (i.e.,
> shutting down the WG and publishing what we have as experimental
> or informational or?).
>
> Dave

In exchange for what?  Dave, if you make SSM happen, then yes.
If you can't get SSM moving then I want MSDP to get finished and be 
usable.

If I were in charge of the world, I'd make IGMPv3 mandatory on ever
OS that is shipped starting yesterday.  But I'm not in charge and no
one is listening to me.

Since ASM sometimes works "good enough", many people seem to think
its just a question of fixing MSDP and the world will suddenly work.  I 
seem
to be the only one saying:

        "MSDP IS A KLUDGE THAT WAS THOUGHT UP ON THE SPUR OF
        THE MOMENT TO GET AROUND SOME SILLY POLITICAL ISSUES
        THAT THE ISP'S THINK ARE IMPORTANT.  IT WAS NEVER INTENDED,
        AND SHOULD NEVER HAVE ATTAINED, THE STATUS IT HAS NOW
        OF BEING A 'REAL' PROTOCOL  DESTINED FOR ITS OWN RFC."     
If no one else is willing to sing along with me, then how can I tell you 
to shut
the MSDP working group down?  I can't.

If folks continue to expect MSDP to 'get fixed' and those folks are 
unwilling
to demand IGMPv3 be included in their operating systems, and those folks
are unwilling to shift their thinking toward SSM but would rather rely on
ASM and believe in the fantasy that fixing MSDP is an  option, then how 
can
I tell you to shut the MSDP working group down?  I can't.

No Dave.  I am -NOT- in favor of publishing MSDP as experimental until
I have something that works.

SSM is here and could be in every OS (not just XP) in two months -IF-
this community wanted it to happen.  But I seem to be the only one 
trying to
push it.  Pushing on a rope -- something I must have always wanted to do.

If you want to dump MSDP, don't do it because I said it was all right.  
Do
it because you know in your heart that the future of multicast is SSM and
because -you- know it is going to happen because you have commitments
from OS vendors and app developers that they recognize how difficult it
is going to be to ever fix MSDP and they are willing to make the paradigm
shift to deploy SSM and incorporate it in their products.

Otherwise, I want you to keep pushing on your rope as long as I have to
push on mine.

z