perfSONAR User Q&A and Other Discussion

[Frederic LOUI <>]

Ben Perry a écrit :
> Is there a public place for upload that the entire perfSONAR community
> can use?  If nothing else, maybe we can use megaupload temporarily.
>
> -Ben
>
> On 6/4/07, Frederic LOUI 
> <>
>  wrote:
> > Cesaroni Giovanni a écrit :
> > > Hi Frederic,
> > > I prefer Debian,
> > > the ftp server is ftp://193.206.158.119:2121
> > > It is an image from ESX or WS?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Giovanni
> > >
> > > Frederic LOUI wrote:
> > >> Cesaroni Giovanni a écrit :
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>> I would like to test the VMWARE image of RRD-MA.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>> Giovanni
> > >>>
> > >>> Frederic LOUI wrote:
> > >>>> Ben,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I fully agree you upon all the points you quoted below...
> > >>>> and I truly believe that's a good alternative to deploy and test
> > >>>> PerfSONAR services...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> But I also understand that for "power user" this is an overpowering
> > >>>> solution.
> > >>>> Anyway, this is a matter of choice.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> My opinion is that packaging PerfSONAR si the right way to go in
> > >>>> the long run.
> > >>>> It is also the academic choice. (deb,rpm, pkg for SOLARIS and BSD
> > >>>> etc.)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> However, using VMWare image/Live CD is a quick way to "spread"
> > >>>> PerfSONAR philosophy
> > >>>> at the moment and demonstrate its MULTI-DOMAIN capability at a
> > >>>> great pace.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Of course NREN(s) skilled enough (and having enough time) to
> > >>>> install PerfSONAR
> > >>>> At the end everything is possible, but it is always a matter of 
> > time.
> > >>>> The learning curve regarding PerfSONAR installation is not huge,
> > >>>> but it really depends on your skills and could take some times...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> At the present time, the point is to save "this time" and
> > >>>> demonstrate that PerfSONAR is not a "white elephant"
> > >>>> And a lot of feature can be easily accessed behind the PerfSONAR
> > >>>> platform.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I'm preparing VMWARE image of RRD-MA would you be intersted in
> > >>>> testing one ?
> > >>>> If so, please just select you flavor (FreeBSD,DEBIAN stable, any
> > >>>> flavor of UBUNTU etc.)
> > >>>> And an ftp address and I can provide you one.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Bgrds/Frederic
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Ben Perry a écrit :
> > >>>>> The benefit of using a VM is absolutely huge.  Someone who 
> > knows what
> > >>>>> they're doing does all of the administration work, configures 
> > all of
> > >>>>> the services, and makes sure everything works flawlessly.  All
> > >>>>> accounts are created, all libraries are up to date, everything is
> > >>>>> already compiled and executing.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The end user then only has to download a single file.  One file.
> > >>>>> They
> > >>>>> load it in the free virtual player, and everything works.  They 
> > don't
> > >>>>> spend countless hours compiling, downloading different libraries,
> > >>>>> googling for why something doesn't work, asking their 
> > colleagues for
> > >>>>> help, getting frustrated, and losing interest.  They don't have to
> > >>>>> download a linux distro hand hope that it works on their hardware,
> > >>>>> let
> > >>>>> alone with PerfSonar.  They don't have to read through page after
> > >>>>> page
> > >>>>> of installation manuals.  They don't need to know about yum, apt,
> > >>>>> etc.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> It doesn't get any easier for an end user than downloading a 
> > single
> > >>>>> file and clicking play.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 5/31/07, Roman Lapacz 
> > <>
> >  wrote:
> > >>>>>> Nicolas Simar wrote:
> > >>>>>> >
> > >>>>>> >
> > >>>>>> > Cesaroni Giovanni wrote:
> > >>>>>> > [snip]
> > >>>>>> >>>
> > >>>>>> >>> What are the drawbacks of such methods?
> > >>>>>> >>> Could it be a way of providing easy to install perfsonar
> > >>>>>> >>> web-services or it will decrease their performances?
> > >>>>>> >>
> > >>>>>> >> The use of VMW has no particular drawbacks other than what
> > >>>>>> Jochen said,
> > >>>>>> >> but I don't think it is a good solution:
> > >>>>>> >> all the sw is usually installed on a linux box by the package
> > >>>>>> manager
> > >>>>>> >> of the system (for debian apt-get, for red hat yum and so on)
> > >>>>>> from a
> > >>>>>> >> pakage (.deb, .rpm, ..) with just a command. It will be nice
> > >>>>>> to have
> > >>>>>> >> such a linux package of each perfsonar service.
> > >>>>>> >
> > >>>>>> > What is the difference with ANT currently used?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Ant is a build tool mainly for developers. I like all solutions
> > >>>>>> noted
> > >>>>>> (VM, pS linux distro, package systems). I remember that some time
> > >>>>>> ago
> > >>>>>> Jeff proposed to use RPM to distribute our services. We could
> > >>>>>> consider
> > >>>>>> to take package solution (usually well-known) for next pS release
> > >>>>>> (we
> > >>>>>> could start with rpm and deb).
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Roman
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> Which flavour are you interested in ?
> > >> DEBIAN one ? FreeBSD one ? Ubuntu (Feisty/Edgy/Dapper)?
> > >>
> > >> Could you please provide me an ftp URL with at least 500 Meg free
> > >> space ?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > >> Bgrds/Frederic
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Hi Giovanni,
> >
> > I uploaded the VM images on your FTP servers.
> > You can close your anonymous FTP anytime you want...
> >
> > Basically the image is a debian 4.0, with THE STRICT MINIMUM SOFTWARE
> > installed required to run RRD-MA.
> >
> > Default user:
> > login: perfsonar
> > Default password: perfsonar
> >
> > Default eXist RRD-MA user: rrdmaservice
> > Default eXist RRD-MA password: rrdmaservice
> > Default eXist ADMINB password: rrdmaservice
> >
> > PerfSONAR RRD-MA is launched during system startup whith perfsonar user
> > UNIX access rights. (check /etc/rc.local)
> > So you STRICTLY have nothing to do... Except ...
> > ==> To insert your META-DATA file using URL
> > http://<IP_ADDRESS_OF_VM>:8080/exist/admin/admin.xql
> >
> > Import your RRD files through NFS. (/etc/fstab) and you're done
> > Don't forget to change the default password as well for
> > root/perfsonar/eXist etc.
> >
> > In term of stitching, I think that Alessandro and Mario are PerfSONAR
> > installation expert now ! ;-)
> >
> > Thanks and best regards/Frederic
> >
> > PS: It would be great to have your feedback about this VM.
> > The point is to roughly evaluate how much time you spent on deploying
> > this RRD-MA service and how painful it was ... ;-)
> >
> > --
> > Frederic LOUI / GIP RENATER
> >
> > Service de Suivi Operationnel / Metrologie & QoS
> > Network Operations Service / Metrology & QoS
> >
> > Tel: +33 1 53 94 20 82 / Fax: +33 1 53 94 20 31
> >
> >  http://www.renater.fr
Hi all,

Quoted the mail from Ben,
Is there any chance to get a place where I can upload these images ?
So, people interested could download these images in a more convenient 
way ...
A resource part of PerfSONAR project might be good.

Thanks in advance for your potential help
Bgrds/Frederic

--
Frederic LOUI / GIP RENATER

Service de Suivi Operationnel / Metrologie & QoS
Network Operations Service / Metrology & QoS

Tel: +33 1 53 94 20 82 / Fax: +33 1 53 94 20 31
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