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[Chris Hyzer <>]

> How difficult would it be to add a specific timezone on the permission 
> limit syntax

Are you saying that the limit on a permission is from 9-5 for a specific 
timezone no matter where the caller is?  Or are you saying the env variable 
that the caller passes to the server when determining if someone has a 
permission or not would be the label of the timezone?

Either would be easy.  I think the first one might be difficult for people on 
a UI to configure.  For the latter, either way the caller would need to pass 
in the timezone where the transaction is taking place, so it is similar of 
just passing in the hour of day, right?  :)  Maybe it is easier to pass in 
the timezone.

To do this, I would just have the caller pass either the hour of day or the 
timezone which is the Java timezone ID.  I have the list of possible ones 
below for my version of the JRE.  This is a little worrying since it is based 
on the server JRE.  If I were the caller, I definitely know what my hour of 
day is.  If using the timezone string (which funnily enough isn't even 
documented in Java since it is not that stable, you have to run a command to 
get the list :) ), there is a risk that the timezone list changes on jre 
upgrades, or it might be not straightforward to get started (i.e. to find the 
best one to use).

That said, I can add the option in addition to passing in caller time of day 
if you like, should I?  And can you clarify exactly what you are looking for?

Thanks,
Chris

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-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Dopirak 
[mailto:]
 
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 10:37 AM
To: Chris Hyzer
Cc: Keith Hazelton; paccman; 

Subject: Re: [grouper-dev] Re: [paccman] built-in permissions limits... do we 
need any more?

How difficult would it be to add a specific timezone on the permission limit 
syntax   , it seems that would make things easier to understand. You can 
alway default to the servers timezone. Perhaps I am overthinking this but 
international campuses will do that to you. 
On Jul 15, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Chris Hyzer wrote:

> Well, we haven't really heard a request for this.
> 
> Right now if you have a start or end date on a permission or membership, 
> then after midnight on the grouper server it will go live or dead.  This 
> wasn't really intended to be all that fine grained, though if someone needs 
> it, we could tweak.  Note that the start/end dates mean the membership or 
> permission is on or off, it wont be on for some timezones and off for 
> others.
> 
> For the times with permission limits (e.g. only allow from 9am-5pm on 
> weekdays), if the caller does not pass in the current time, it will use the 
> Grouper server time.  If the caller is in a different timezone, and passes 
> in the current time, then it will use that time.  So in that case the 
> permission could be allowed for some callers and disallowed for other 
> callers (depending on the clock of the caller).
> 
> Sound good?
> 
> Thanks,
> Chris
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Dopirak 
> [mailto:]
>  
> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 9:49 AM
> To: Tom Dopirak
> Cc: Chris Hyzer; Keith Hazelton; paccman; 
> 
> Subject: Re: [grouper-dev] Re: [paccman] built-in permissions limits... do 
> we need any more?
> 
> of course i meant grouper :)
> On Jul 15, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Tom Dopirak wrote:
> 
>> Hmmm. How do you expects dates to reflect internationalness? Is group 
>> timezone sensitive?
>> 
>> On Jul 7, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Chris Hyzer wrote:
>> 
>>> memberships and permissions have begin and end dates, so I dont think 
>>> someone would use permissions limits for that.  If there is a need we can 
>>> discuss :)
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Chris
>>> From: Keith Hazelton 
>>> []
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 12:50 PM
>>> To: Chris Hyzer
>>> Cc: paccman; 
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [paccman] built-in permissions limits... do we need any more?
>>> 
>>> For effective date (of memberships, etc), it would be good to have date 
>>> limits comparable to amount limits, e.g. "onOrAfter(2011-02-01) AND 
>>> notAfter(2011-10-31)"
>>> 
>>> It will be a big task to make this accessible for the average Grouper 
>>> (delegated) admin.  I can see that it will involve a lot of commentary on 
>>> each line of the code snippets, etc. plus a sense of what environment the 
>>> snippet assumes and what instances of what classes are in play.  A person 
>>> with a modest level of technical background should be able to go through 
>>> this document line by line, pose questions to Grouper-user and 
>>> occasionally Grouper-dev, and incorporate the verified answers into the 
>>> commentary.  
>>> 
>>> Very nice new capability, Chris, I especially like the flexibility and 
>>> extensibility of limit definition via expression languages.
>>> 
>>>     Regards,   --Keith
>>> 
>>> _______________________
>>> On Jul 1, 2011, at 09:10, Chris Hyzer wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Here are the built in limits I have implemented.  Its not the end of the 
>>>> world to miss one, we can add it later, and institutions can implement 
>>>> their own in the meantime, but if someone can think of another limit 
>>>> that would be nice to have, let me know, and if it is easy, I will add 
>>>> it (so far they have all been easy J ).
>>>> 
>>>> https://spaces.internet2.edu/display/Grouper/Permission+limit+builtin+implementations
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Chris
>>>> 
>>>> From: Chris Hyzer 
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 10:39 AM
>>>> To: 'paccman'; 
>>>> ''
>>>> Subject: grouper permissions limits
>>>> 
>>>> FYI, this is where I see permissions limits going... let me know any 
>>>> feedback asap J
>>>> 
>>>> https://spaces.internet2.edu/display/Grouper/Grouper+permission+limits
>>>> 
>>>> btw, I will build the current state of 2.0 to the demo server at the end 
>>>> of the weekend.  J
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>