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Re: [grouper-dev] Re: [paccman] built-in permissions limits... do we need any more?

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  • From: Tom Dopirak <>
  • To: Chris Hyzer <>
  • Cc: Keith Hazelton <>, paccman <>, "" <>
  • Subject: Re: [grouper-dev] Re: [paccman] built-in permissions limits... do we need any more?
  • Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:37:12 +0000
  • Accept-language: en-US

How difficult would it be to add a specific timezone on the permission limit
syntax , it seems that would make things easier to understand. You can
alway default to the servers timezone. Perhaps I am overthinking this but
international campuses will do that to you.
On Jul 15, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Chris Hyzer wrote:

> Well, we haven't really heard a request for this.
> Right now if you have a start or end date on a permission or membership,
> then after midnight on the grouper server it will go live or dead. This
> wasn't really intended to be all that fine grained, though if someone needs
> it, we could tweak. Note that the start/end dates mean the membership or
> permission is on or off, it wont be on for some timezones and off for
> others.
> For the times with permission limits (e.g. only allow from 9am-5pm on
> weekdays), if the caller does not pass in the current time, it will use the
> Grouper server time. If the caller is in a different timezone, and passes
> in the current time, then it will use that time. So in that case the
> permission could be allowed for some callers and disallowed for other
> callers (depending on the clock of the caller).
> Sound good?
> Thanks,
> Chris
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Dopirak
> [mailto:]
> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 9:49 AM
> To: Tom Dopirak
> Cc: Chris Hyzer; Keith Hazelton; paccman;
> Subject: Re: [grouper-dev] Re: [paccman] built-in permissions limits... do
> we need any more?
> of course i meant grouper :)
> On Jul 15, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Tom Dopirak wrote:
>> Hmmm. How do you expects dates to reflect internationalness? Is group
>> timezone sensitive?
>> On Jul 7, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Chris Hyzer wrote:
>>> memberships and permissions have begin and end dates, so I dont think
>>> someone would use permissions limits for that. If there is a need we can
>>> discuss :)
>>> Thanks,
>>> Chris
>>> From: Keith Hazelton
>>> []
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 12:50 PM
>>> To: Chris Hyzer
>>> Cc: paccman;
>>> Subject: Re: [paccman] built-in permissions limits... do we need any more?
>>> For effective date (of memberships, etc), it would be good to have date
>>> limits comparable to amount limits, e.g. "onOrAfter(2011-02-01) AND
>>> notAfter(2011-10-31)"
>>> It will be a big task to make this accessible for the average Grouper
>>> (delegated) admin. I can see that it will involve a lot of commentary on
>>> each line of the code snippets, etc. plus a sense of what environment the
>>> snippet assumes and what instances of what classes are in play. A person
>>> with a modest level of technical background should be able to go through
>>> this document line by line, pose questions to Grouper-user and
>>> occasionally Grouper-dev, and incorporate the verified answers into the
>>> commentary.
>>> Very nice new capability, Chris, I especially like the flexibility and
>>> extensibility of limit definition via expression languages.
>>> Regards, --Keith
>>> _______________________
>>> On Jul 1, 2011, at 09:10, Chris Hyzer wrote:
>>>> Here are the built in limits I have implemented. Its not the end of the
>>>> world to miss one, we can add it later, and institutions can implement
>>>> their own in the meantime, but if someone can think of another limit
>>>> that would be nice to have, let me know, and if it is easy, I will add
>>>> it (so far they have all been easy J ).
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Chris
>>>> From: Chris Hyzer
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 10:39 AM
>>>> To: 'paccman';
>>>> ''
>>>> Subject: grouper permissions limits
>>>> FYI, this is where I see permissions limits going... let me know any
>>>> feedback asap J
>>>> btw, I will build the current state of 2.0 to the demo server at the end
>>>> of the weekend. J
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Chris

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