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Re: Why don't we use multicast more often?


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  • From: Alan Crosswell <>
  • To: Hugh LaMaster <>
  • Cc: Multicast WG Internet2 <>
  • Subject: Re: Why don't we use multicast more often?
  • Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:09:42 -0400

> My biggest question is, "What is impeding multicast on college/
university/research park campuses?" Most of the objections to
doing high-BW multicast don't apply there, but, success has still
been limited. Perhaps even grad students are too busy producing
PowerPoint slides to watch IETF and NANOG broadcasts.

People don't want to sit through hours of droning IETF and NANOG broadcasts in real time, in the time zone of the event. They want on-demand so they can fast-forward over the junk and get to what is interesting for them. Smart mcast on-demand apps might some day make their appearance -- if there are a large enough number of on-demand viewers of the same stream, statisically some number of them may be distributed closely enough together to give them all a multicast stream. Windows Update would be a great multicast app! So would bit torrent.

For broadcast-TV style stuff people (at least old people like us) will sit through live shows, but less and less so as everyone starts using PVRs to skip commercials (or skip football and watch commercials for the super bowl). As mentioned in another posting, a few schools are using multicast to provide "cable TV" to dorms that were not wired for traditional cable.

I think cable operators are clued-in to multicast but even if and when they deploy it (some probably already do; one told me they weren't running a recent enough DOCSIS release to do so yet) they'll likely restrict it to their own domain.

One way we religious zealots can make multicast happen to some extent is by specifiying it as a requirement of our ISP service offerings even though there's no compelling reason to do so (I guess that's the zealot part). The fact that WMT and Real both support multicast with unicast failover is a good thing. The reality is that Real by default does not use it. I run a helix server and I've just begun RTFM on how to use multicast and, among other things, I will have to educate my users to give out a different URL than they are used to (an SDP file instead of a .ram).

If I get a chance after the netcast (mcast MPEG1 and real) I am currently babysitting (http://c250.columbia.edu/c250_now/symposia/brain_and_mind.html) I will try to set up Real scalable mcast for our commencement netcast next Wednesday -- mostly because I hate when people on my multicast campus network use up my 300 real server licenses because they are more comfortable using realplayer than trying to get IPTV or Quicktime to work with an MPEG1 mcast. Of course, they could open their window and watch/listen too.

The current mcast apps used at CU are Ghost for updating PC labs, MPEG1 with a vbrick for "overflow" rooms for large events (some people have figured out the overflow room can be in their office), and all that Apple rendezvous noise which seems to provide nothing of use. Oh, and we have 2 NASA TV viewers:-) In fact, NASA TV is what got one of our remote campuses to become multicast-enabled.
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