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  • From: Emily Eisbruch <>
  • To: Tom Barton <>, Niels van Dijk <>
  • Cc: "" <>, Bas Zoetekouw <>, Geert van der Ploeg <>, "" <>
  • Subject: Re: [grouper-users] SCIM support for Grouper?
  • Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:53:27 +0000
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Hi Niels,

Tom asked me to help set up a call for interested parties to discuss
Grouper and SCIM.
Please me know if the first week of April works for you. If yes, I'll
set up a Doodle poll.

Thank you

On 3/19/13 9:30 AM, "Tom Barton"

>Sounds good. Can we shoot for sometime the week of April 1 to have a
>discussion? I'll ask for
>help in setting that up.
>On 3/19/2013 6:35 AM, Niels van Dijk wrote:
>> Hello Tom,
>> Thanks for your suggestion, it all sound very workable. We would like to
>> have the overall service available by the end of Q3. However, adding
>> SCIM to Grouper is only part of that equation, so its probably going to
>> be several months earlier that we would like to pick this up.
>> We have until now been very happy grouper users where we could mostly
>> consider Grouper as a well working black box. We have used the APIs and
>> hardly ever had to deal with 'inner workings' of Grouper.
>> For us the biggest issue is therefor that we do not have a very clear
>> picture of the amount work involved to add such an API to Grouper. Also
>> the best route the take is not clear. We have a rough idea of the work
>> needed to do a Java based SCIM interface as we partially implemented
>> that already for the pilots we did earlier. Another post to my question
>> by David Langenberg indicated that they are currently investigating
>> exacly this, so perhaps we could set up a session between David, e.g.
>> your and/or Chris and some of our team to get a better understanding of
>> what we would need to do?
>> Regards,
>> Niels
>> On 03/18/2013 11:06 PM, Tom Barton wrote:
>>> Hi Niels,
>>> As I think you know we try to prioritize our work in alignment with
>>> community needs. In particular, we've tried to add new capabilities in
>>> concert with a partner that shows up with a real use case and
>>> resources to commit to help us be sure that we build something that
>>> actually works for their use case. We are currently partnering with
>>> CMU to iron out some performance issues with PSP, also providing the
>>> newest member of our development team with a great opportunity to get
>>> familiar with its internals. One approach is to engage with you on
>>> SCIM as the CMU engagement winds down. Do you have an idea of the time
>>> frame within which you might be able to partner with us on this?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Tom
>>> On 3/18/2013 11:36 AM, Niels van Dijk wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I was wondering if Grouper roadmap has SCIM on it.
>>>> We have a use case where we are using SCIM to provision group info to
>>>> cloud provisioning broker who then provisions various other clouds
>>>> services via none-standard APIs. Until now this was mostly test cases
>>>> (SCIM functionality outside of Grouper), now we would like to look at
>>>> doing this for 'real'.
>>>> As our groups already live in Grouper, and Grouper already has
>>>> capabilities e.g. to determine the difference between group
>>>> between date A and date B, this seems like a good fit, I think.
>>>> I note that last years I2 Spring Meeting had some discussions [1] and
>>>> 2011 a MACE-Dir discussion [2] addressed a lot of issues that by now
>>>> have been solved I think. Neither however have a clear direction for
>>>> SCIM in regards to Grouper.
>>>> If it is on the roadmap, are there any timeliness? If not, what ways
>>>> would there be to accelerate this? We have coding capabilities, but
>>>> coding an entire new API out of the blue is probably not a good idea
>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Niels
>>>> [1]
>>>> [2]

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