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[Tom Barton <>]

Niels,

Sounds good. Can we shoot for sometime the week of April 1 to have a discussion? I'll ask for 
help in setting that up.

Tom

On 3/19/2013 6:35 AM, Niels van Dijk wrote:
> Hello Tom,
>
> Thanks for your suggestion, it all sound very workable. We would like to
> have the overall service available by the end of Q3. However, adding
> SCIM to Grouper is only part of that equation, so its probably going to
> be several months earlier that we would like to pick this up.
>
> We have until now been very happy grouper users where we could mostly
> consider Grouper as a well working black box. We have used the APIs and
> hardly ever had to deal with 'inner workings' of Grouper.
>
> For us the biggest issue is therefor that we do not have a very clear
> picture of the amount work involved to add such an API to Grouper. Also
> the best route the take is not clear. We have a rough idea of the work
> needed to do a Java based SCIM interface as we partially implemented
> that already for the pilots we did earlier. Another post to my question
> by David Langenberg indicated that they are currently investigating
> exacly this, so perhaps we could set up a session between David, e.g.
> your and/or Chris and some of our team to get a better understanding of
> what we would need to do?
>
> Regards,
> Niels
>
> On 03/18/2013 11:06 PM, Tom Barton wrote:
> > Hi Niels,
> >
> > As I think you know we try to prioritize our work in alignment with
> > community needs. In particular, we've tried to add new capabilities in
> > concert with a partner that shows up with a real use case and
> > resources to commit to help us be sure that we build something that
> > actually works for their use case. We are currently partnering with
> > CMU to iron out some performance issues with PSP, also providing the
> > newest member of our development team with a great opportunity to get
> > familiar with its internals. One approach is to engage with you on
> > SCIM as the CMU engagement winds down. Do you have an idea of the time
> > frame within which you might be able to partner with us on this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tom
> >
> > On 3/18/2013 11:36 AM, Niels van Dijk wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I was wondering if Grouper roadmap has SCIM on it.
> > >
> > > We have a use case where we are using SCIM to provision group info to a
> > > cloud provisioning broker who then provisions various other clouds
> > > services via none-standard APIs. Until now this was mostly test cases
> > > (SCIM functionality outside of Grouper), now we would like to look at
> > > doing this for 'real'.
> > > As our groups already live in Grouper, and Grouper already has
> > > capabilities e.g. to determine the difference between group memberships
> > > between date A and date B, this seems like a good fit, I think.
> > >
> > > I note that last years I2 Spring Meeting had some discussions [1] and in
> > > 2011 a MACE-Dir discussion [2] addressed a lot of issues that by now
> > > have been solved I think. Neither however have a clear direction for
> > > SCIM in regards to Grouper.
> > >
> > > If it is on the roadmap, are there any timeliness? If not, what ways
> > > would there be to accelerate this? We have coding capabilities, but
> > > coding an entire new API out of the blue is probably not a good idea ;)
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Niels
> > >
> > >
> > > [1]
> > > https://spaces.internet2.edu/display/Grouper/Grouper+Face+to+Face+Meeting+23-Apr-2012
> > >
> > > [2]
> > > http://middleware.internet2.edu/dir/minutes/MACE-Dir-15-August-2011.html