Grouper Users - Open Discussion List

["Black, Carey M." <>]

Chris,

Thanks for that unexpected feature. 
        I agree it will be useful to be able to programmatically create 
and/or invoke a template with GSH for grouper admins. :) 

        Given your caveat about "GSH needs to be run from a UI directory"...
                It also sounds like their may be other code not present in 
the API/WS directories that would be needed to make templates work in those 
environments. If so then that is unfortunate. I was thinking maybe a Hook 
could "make assumptions about the inputs into a template" (maybe by user, or 
some other logic in the hook) and trigger a template as part of an 
API/WebService event processing. 
                Yet, I doubt that could work in the current condition. ( 
Maybe another enhancement idea?)

-- 
Carey Matthew 

-----Original Message-----
From:  
<> On Behalf Of Hyzer, Chris
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 3:38 PM
To: Richard Frovarp <>;  
Mailing List <>
Subject: RE: [grouper-users] Large scale template use

Triggering templates was not possible with GSH but I made a patch that lets 
you do it.  GSH needs to be run from a UI directory.  You need patch: 
grouper_v2_4_0_ui_patch_23

https://bugs.internet2.edu/jira/browse/GRP-2109

Hope this helps.

Thanks
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From:  
<> On Behalf Of Richard Frovarp
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 12:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [grouper-users] Large scale template use

Carey,

Thanks, that helps out quite a bit. We were further discussing after I 
sent the message and realized that using Selenium with the template 
wizard wouldn't help us going forward with new apps. We had considered 
using WS. Most of what we need created would be by external systems, 
rather than by people. But in case we do have to hand create something 
to fix or change something we've screwed up prior, using the hooks looks 
to be quite nice. We can have our external system do the WS call to get 
the hook to fire. Given our deployment methods, updating hooks would 
also be cleaner that updating a large batch of WS calls in other systems.

Thanks,
Richard

On 4/22/19 5:36 PM, Black, Carey M. wrote:
> Richard,
>
> If you are targeting a "big bang cutover" then I think you likely just need 
> to walk your "applications" and "create structures in Grouper" with 
> WebServices (WS) calls. And copy the memberships too.
>       The WebServices calls can do anything a user can do with the UI. ( 
> Well, basic functions are all there. AKA : Create/update/delete: group, 
> folder, etc...)
>
>       I don't expect that a wizard could/would be triggered by a WS call. 
> But I could be wrong.
>
>
> NOTE: If you are referring to 
> https://spaces.at.internet2.edu/display/Grouper/Grouper+new+template+wizard 
> ( by "application template" ) then you could develop such a template for 
> user's to manually create new applications after conversion.
>       Or you could write UI hooks (REF: 
> https://spaces.at.internet2.edu/display/Grouper/Hooks ) too.
>               Example: A new folder is created "here" (or named "foo-*", 
> etc...) and you create sub structures, establish access controls, etc.. for 
> the user.
>
>        Your choice between a "wizard" and "hooks" likely depends on your 
> taste/style/functionality needs.
>       IHMO:
>               A wizard would be for a "Ask a human questions and get 
> variable outputs/responses."
>               A Hook would be more for a "see 'X', then do 'Y'" kind of 
> responses. (NOTE: hooks can be triggered by UI, Web Services and/or GSH[AKA 
> API] events.
>
> HTH.
>