Presence and IntComm WG

["Barry Wray" <>]

I would like to comment on a combination of Candace and Jeremy's
comments very briefly.  Jeremy is making a case for presence server that
can basically view our status, availability and location.  Candace is
referring to utilizing items such as a "value" card from a grocery
store, which I'm would imagine a couple of us here use.  I can very much
see where the combination of these technologies would integrate with one
exception.  Candace you pointed out that you are basically an anonymous
user because you have an invalid name assigned to the card.  Do you
purchase in cash only? If you used a credit card of check, you can be
traced back to a location.

This may not fit in this discussion, but I think presence will
ultimeately involve more than a UA.  I believe Jeremy is correct in some
type server that can locate users, maybe via transactions or
login/logout accounting.  I'm just not sure about what the agent might
be.  But I'm problably getting away from where I should be focusing
here.

Just an opinion.


Barry A. Wray
State Networks Voice Engineer
Indiana Higher Education Telecommunications Systems Indianapolis,
Indiana
317.263.8934

http://www.ihets.org

-----Original Message-----
From: Candace Holman 
[mailto:]
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 4:35 PM
To: Deke Kassabian; Jeremy George; Ben Teitelbaum
Cc: ATD Munro, Electrical & Electronic Engineering; Barry Wray
Subject: Re: Next step thoughts

At 03:43 PM 2/13/2004, Deke Kassabian wrote:

>The targeted advertising, of course, is a wonderful example of what I 
>think the product and service folks might want from this technology.
>In my earlier note I tried to talk a bit about how location-based 
>services might be designed to *require* collection and storage of user 
>identity, might be designed to use such information if it was available

>but to "work" in its absence, or might be designed to never require 
>such information.

I missed that note, but I agree that these are the choices in that
context.  I think the best of all worlds is to allow end-user to
register for the level of service they like.  For example, I have a
supermarket club card, but it is registered to Doris Underwood and has
no identifying information about me.  I get the daily coupon discounts,
but I don't get the cashback bonus at the end of the year, and noone can
tie my buying habits back to me or even claim I was at the supermarket
during the time an unsolved robbery occurred there.

>In the Fall MM PIC demo and the January Jt Tech demo, how many people 
>expressed concerns about location information?  About information 
>retention?  We expected that there might be some uneasiness.  Did any 
>of the people who participated ask questions or express concern
directly?

By now, Jeremy's posted his note to PIC...

Candace