wg-pic - Re: [wg-pic] PIC/ALS and the social context
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- From: Candace Holman <>
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- Subject: Re: [wg-pic] PIC/ALS and the social context
- Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 19:28:04 -0500
I don't know how useful a central server would be without a protocol for coordinating updates from lots of edge servers. Propagation time is a factor with something as dynamic as presence. Server would also have to be able to cope with conflicting updates.
On the other hand, we have to be able to prevent edge servers from being turned into targets for data mining clients taking periodic snapshots of the presence information in order to stalk others.
I agree with Deke that an option for subscription is a technological choice that clearly has advantages for government vs individual. If I am not allowed to chose how, when and where my presence is registered, be it collected by edge or central server, then I am more likely to try to find ways to be absent all the time.
Even if we give up our expectation of privacy in order to successfully monitor someone who is a potential criminal element, we should be guaranteed that the data is authentic. I wouldn't want my id to be mistaken for one of the Ten Most Wanted.
Candace
At 04:11 PM 2/13/2004, Jeremy George wrote:
Some folks responded to my note in re the social context of PIC/ALS
a la Dave Clark's presentation and paper (Barry, Candace, Alistair
and Deke.) We're thinking about producing some sort of document but
before we put pen to paper we'd like to foster a discussion on this list.
In Dr. Clark's terms our job as technologists is to define and describe
the level playing field or "tussle space" not to pick winners and losers
nor to endorse a particular political point of view. The first "tussle
space" we're considering is the government vs the individual in PIC/ALS
As an example, certainly in the US the DoJ would claim that the
government is a stakeholder in its requirement to combat terrorism.
In fact they said as much as a recent FCC hearing in re VoIP. On the
other hand, Joanna Citizen might claim that the DoJ already has more
information about her than she is comfortable with. Whatever the
political outcome of such a tussle, the technological solution can be
implemented with an edge presence server or a central presence server.
Each would seem to me to pretty clearly tilt the field.
In this context would anyone like to share thoughts?
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- Re: [wg-pic] PIC/ALS and the social context, Candace Holman, 02/13/2004
- Re: [wg-pic] PIC/ALS and the social context, Jeremy George, 02/14/2004
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- RE: [wg-pic] PIC/ALS and the social context, Barry Wray, 02/17/2004
- RE: [wg-pic] PIC/ALS and the social context, Candace Holman, 02/18/2004
- Re: [wg-pic] PIC/ALS and the social context, john p. streck, 02/19/2004
- Re: [wg-pic] PIC/ALS and the social context, Jamey Hicks, 02/19/2004
- RE: [wg-pic] PIC/ALS and the social context, Deke Kassabian, 02/23/2004
- RE: [wg-pic] PIC/ALS and the social context, Peter Deutsch, 02/19/2004
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