ntacpeering - RE: NET+ traffic on R&E routes document
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- From: Rodger Hess <>
- To: Darrell Newcomb <>, Ryan Harden <>
- Cc: David Pokorney <>, Steven Wallace <>, "David Farmer" <>, Michael H Lambert <>, Linda Roos <>, "" <>, George Loftus <>
- Subject: RE: NET+ traffic on R&E routes document
- Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 18:47:16 +0000
- Accept-language: en-US
Irrespective of the relative level of sensitivity, a significant part of the
rationale for creating TR and CPS, and then merging them, was to provide a
higher level of performance than the commodity Internet. Congestion
avoidance, low hop counts, shorter round trip time, absence of "earliest
exit" routing, and direct responsibility for performance. That belies a
direct comparison to the commodity Internet. It is a higher level of service
than can be bought commercially.
--Rodger
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George Loftus
Subject: Re: NET+ traffic on R&E routes document
On Nov 6, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Ryan Harden wrote:
>>> Regardless of how Net+ providers are connected, I suggest it’s not
>>> correct, and potentially harmful, to depict TR-CPS as commodity
>>> connectivity, unless that’s really how the service is managed now.
>
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> Throwing my +1 in here.
>
> I don't pretend to understand fully what may or may not happen, but I'd
> hate to see a situation where we lose TR-CPS due to the carriers' recent
> sensitivity to an R&E network competing with their business model.
Agreed on the depiction being a characterization that doesn't fit and could
be harmful.
I'll key-in on "sensitivity" in the above context from Ryan.
I'll assert there's no more sensitivity than there had been 5 years ago or
10-14 years ago. Without the direct R&E vantage point myself 20 years ago,
but having been leading some commercial services around that time-frame I
can't even see a big shift in the long-term range of "sensitivity".
There is however a wide range of ways to observe/measure and depending on
one's vantage point or observation of peak-pain you might perceive it in
drastically different ways. That doesn't make the perception of more painful
pressure incorrect, but it also doesn't make it true that there's increased
sensitivity on the whole (globally/nationally).
- Re: NET+ traffic on R&E routes document, Michael H Lambert, 11/05/2013
- Re: NET+ traffic on R&E routes document, David Farmer, 11/05/2013
- Re: NET+ traffic on R&E routes document, David Pokorney, 11/05/2013
- Re: NET+ traffic on R&E routes document, Steven Wallace, 11/06/2013
- Re: NET+ traffic on R&E routes document, David Pokorney, 11/06/2013
- Re: NET+ traffic on R&E routes document, Ryan Harden, 11/06/2013
- Re: NET+ traffic on R&E routes document, Linda Roos, 11/06/2013
- Re: NET+ traffic on R&E routes document, Darrell Newcomb, 11/08/2013
- RE: NET+ traffic on R&E routes document, Rodger Hess, 11/08/2013
- Re: NET+ traffic on R&E routes document, Ryan Harden, 11/06/2013
- Re: NET+ traffic on R&E routes document, David Pokorney, 11/06/2013
- Re: NET+ traffic on R&E routes document, Steven Wallace, 11/06/2013
- Re: NET+ traffic on R&E routes document, David Pokorney, 11/05/2013
- Re: NET+ traffic on R&E routes document, Darrell Newcomb, 11/19/2013
- Re: NET+ traffic on R&E routes document, Cort Buffington, 11/19/2013
- Re: NET+ traffic on R&E routes document, David Farmer, 11/05/2013
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