Grouper Users - Open Discussion List

[Jared Hoffman <>]

In the use we are looking at, having an attribute be added for all
groups in the folder (and sub folders) would be very helpful. We are
creating door access groups and each group has to have an attribute
value for the door group ID in the door access system. We could add
all these with the shell of course, but having them available in the
UI would allow more people to be able to view and edit the attributes
than us on the back end.

If more detail would help or other questions please let me know. Happy to 
help.

Thanks

Jared

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Hyzer, Chris 
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> Sorry, lots of confusion… I will be updating the wiki…  J
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> Attributes live in the namespace (in a folder) just like groups and folders.
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> So in the new UI currently you see the gear icon because that attribute
> definition or name lives in that folder, not assigned to that folder.  You
> currently need the lite UI to view attribute assignments or assign them.
> Having this in the new UI is a work in progress.
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> My question is, if you are looking at a group in the new UI, and you click
> on an upcoming “attributes” tab.  You want to be able to assign this
> attribute and value to certain groups.  You said “We don't need this
> attribute for every group in Grouper, but it wouldn't bother us it if was
> there.”  So are there certain folders that groups live in that can get this
> assignment, or it could be any folder?  Is this a provisioning thing?  Does
> it use a change log consumer?
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> Thanks
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> Chris
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> From: Jared Hoffman 
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 3:06 PM
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> To: Hyzer, Chris 
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> Cc: Imholz, John J. 
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>  Carter
> Schoenfeld 
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> Subject: Re: [grouper-users] RE: Attribute Framework example
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> The attribute definition and name objects do currently show up in the UI as
> gear icons.
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> If it was by parent folder, that might be confusing if it applied to sub
> folders. Looking at the UI, I would assume it would apply at that level and
> below.
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> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 2:09 PM, Hyzer, Chris 
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> Just curious… if it were in the UI, how do you know which groups it should
> show up for?  By parent folder?
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> From: Jared Hoffman 
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 1:39 PM
> To: Hyzer, Chris 
> <>
> Cc: Imholz, John J. 
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>  Carter
> Schoenfeld 
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> Subject: Re: [grouper-users] RE: Attribute Framework example
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> Our initial confusion was understanding the relationship between attribute
> definition, attribute name and what the attribute was attached to. As we
> played with the shell and UI interface we saw where the attributes were
> stored, but we weren't sure how it all connected.
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> Our use case is to add an ID number to a group to help us link it to another
> system. Our mistaken assumption was that attributes would appear in the
> group admin UI like grouper loader settings, like types. So perhaps examples
> of an attribute use case would help with the concept.  We don't need this
> attribute for every group in Grouper, but it wouldn't bother us it if was
> there.
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> We are not concerned with attribute permissions since we're working only at
> the admin level, not delegated attributes at this time.
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> Any direction would be appreciated.
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> Thanks
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> Jared & Carter
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> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Hyzer, Chris 
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> wrote:
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> Maybe we could start by you letting me know which parts of this document are
> confusing or need more information...
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> https://spaces.internet2.edu/display/Grouper/Grouper+attribute+framework
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> Or whatever questions you have and I can update the wiki.
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> Others welcome to comment too :)
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> Thanks
> Chris
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jared Hoffman 
> [mailto:]
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 9:52 AM
> To: Hyzer, Chris 
> <>
> Cc: Imholz, John J. 
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> Subject: Re: [grouper-users] RE: Attribute Framework example
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>> Hmmm, maybe we need an attribute framework training module.
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> Yes! Please!
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> We just stat down to try to figure out the attribute framework (first
> time) to place some values we'd like to use when programming
> memberships to another system.
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> Jared
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> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Hyzer, Chris 
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> wrote:
>> Hmmm, maybe we need an attribute framework training module.
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>> Maybe if you want to lay out your design and run it by the list we could
>> give you comments... :)
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>> Seems straightforward your positions on stems.
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>> Yes, with 2.3 you can create a def, def name, assign, and value.
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>> Before 2.3 you could do everything except the def.  The documentation for
>> the def is not yet there but again ask any questions :)
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>> Ok?
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>> Thanks
>> Chris
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 
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>> [mailto:]
>>  On Behalf Of Imholz, John J.
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 9:19 AM
>> To: 
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>> Subject: [grouper-users] Attribute Framework example
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>> Are there other examples (other than
>> https://spaces.internet2.edu/display/Grouper/Grouper+attribute+framework )
>> of using the attribute framework ?
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>> I'm a little confused with that one (too many parameters seem to be the
>> same or similar.)
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>> I've got an org in version 2.3 and I'd like to assign some "position"
>> attributes to stems.  Stems could have a "state_positions" attribute
>> indicating how many state approved positions are in that org.  Stems could
>> also have a "hospital_positions" indicating how many positions are approved
>> by the hospital.
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>> Can all of this (create def, create def name, assign with value) be done
>> with web services?
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>> jji
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