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  • From: Jim Fox <>
  • To: Michael Girgis <>
  • Cc: Tom Barton <>, "<>" <>
  • Subject: Re: [grouper-dev] Lo-fi wireframes
  • Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 12:18:07 -0800 (PST)

At UW we use a completely separate UI for those multiple group operations. It works something like a wizard, allowing a user to select groups, select subjects, and then select an operation: add members, remove members,
add admins, etc. Our principal UI is very group oriented and there was
no obvious way to fit the 'multiple group' page into it.


On Mon, 17 Dec 2012, Michael Girgis wrote:

Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 12:07:54 -0800
From: Michael Girgis
To: Tom Barton

Subject: Re: [grouper-dev] Lo-fi wireframes

You're right, Gagné, the ability to assign a subject to multiple groups at
the same time was high on the list of requested features. I guess I
just haven't made it that far in the wireframes yet. Expanding it so that you
could assign multiple subjects to multiple groups would be the
logical next step. The only question then is from what screen you would
initiate such an action…but we're jumping ahead of ourselves to some

On Dec 17, 2012, at 1:59 PM, Tom Barton wrote:

+1 to assigning a subject to multiple groups in one step. Maybe there
should be a top level (middle column level) Membership
Assignment activity, not centered on a specific group. This could be a
good use of Favorites to ease the identification of the set of
groups for which memberships will be managed.

I wonder if we should focus on the new Service concept where we used to think of
Types (eg, the list mail "service"). Types per se
will go away I think when we convert away from legacy attributes.


On 12/17/2012 1:47 PM, Gagné Sébastien wrote:

In bulk import there’s an option to let you enter Subject IDs manually
in a textbox (one per line), this options gives you the
option of not creating a file, this seemed to be interesting in the
formation we gave our users.


One feature they REALLY wanted is to assign multiple Users to multiple
Groups. A common use case would be to give new employees
basic access to different groups (printer, locals, network shares,
etc.) I think this feature was suggested in the poll (assign
multiple groups to one user)


I’m not all that familiar with group types either, but one use case we
were looking at was to create a group type for
distribution list. In that case a user could select the “distribution
List” group type and a pre-populated “email” attribute
would be added to the group and be synced to our LDAP. This isn’t done
yet, but might be a use case.



De : Michael Girgis
Envoyé : 17 décembre 2012 14:38
À : Gagné Sébastien
Cc :
Brenda Janish
Objet : Re: [grouper-dev] Lo-fi wireframes


See feedback below.


On Dec 17, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Gagné Sébastien wrote:


Those wireframes look good, I don’t have much to add but here are a few
comments :


Our end users don’t have admin rights on most of the groups, but they are
allowed to change memberships. For the left column I mostly
see ADMIN rights. Seeing folder and groups where the user as at least Update
would be better in our case. Maybe that could be


Makes sense to me.


I think I read it somewhere, but favorites should be saved when the user
comes back with a new session.


Yes, that is implied but will be spelled out more clearly.


Showing the member count in the folder view is a very good idea and was one
of the requested feature of our users


In the “view a group” navigation arrows could be at the top (or both, or
always visible and hovering like gmails button at the
bottom). If the group has a large number of members, the arrows will be
hidden, as will the total number of members.


Add people : it would be nice if we could choose multiple persons in the Find
People. Something like having a “Add to list”
button after selecting the member that would add the member to a list (with
“remove” buttons) on the bottom and then you’re able
to search for a new one until you select the “Next” button. Maybe that’s
covered in the bulk import.


My thoughts were that would be covered in the bulk import. That said, I can
see how it would be helpful to be able to add at least two
or three members at a time without being expected to create an import file.


Bulk export would be a much welcomed feature. Our users want to be able to
export folder (Scope ONE or Scope SUB) and Group members
including direct and/or indirect members including which group made him an
indirect member


How will group types be handled ?


I'm not very familiar with group types yet, so I'll need to learn more about
them. Is management of group types something geared
towards basic/intermediate users, or is it more for advanced users?



De :  [mailto:] De
la part deMichael Girgis
Envoyé : 13 décembre 2012 11:14
À :  Dev
Cc : Brenda Janish
Objet : [grouper-dev] Lo-fi wireframes


Hi everyone.


Below, you'll find a link to a first pass at lo-fidelity wireframes for the
Grouper 2.2 UI. A few notes before you take a look:


* These wireframes are only intended to convey the general direction I'm
taking with the UI design and are clearly not fully spec'd or

* Only a few key screens are represented here, related to the most common
tasks of viewing/editing folders, groups and users.

* The first two pages simply describe the various page components in the
three-column layout.


These wireframes will be used to validate that users can do the most basic
tasks of navigating the site and finding and editing
entities. So I'm mainly interested in higher-level feedback regarding the
overall approach/layout, and less so the more granular
functionality which may not yet be fully developed. Please feel free to email
me directly with feedback.


If you have a lot of feedback you'd like to share and you don't mind creating
an account on yet another website, let me know and I'll
create an account for you on, where you'll be able to add notes
directly to the screenshots.


Thanks in advance for your feedback!


Michael Girgis

University of Chicago


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