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[Chris Hyzer <>]

Isnt what you are referring to what you would do if you didn't have the 
option to do incremental real-time provisioning?  i.e. once we have 
incremental real-time, then what is the use case to require finding objects 
which have changed in folders in the past certain amount of time?

Thanks,
Chris

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 On Behalf Of Tom Zeller
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 3:16 PM
To: Shilen Patel
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Subject: Re: [grouper-dev] last modified time for stems and members ?


> On 10/14/11 11:19 AM, "Tom Zeller" 
> <>
>  wrote:
> 
>> Stems and members do not have a last modified time like groups, correct ?
> 
> 
> Groups have a few different timestamps.  There's modify_time which tells
> you when the group object itself was last modified - name change, display
> name change, description change, etc..  Groups also have
> last_membership_change which tells you when a membership or privilege was
> last added or deleted from the group.  And then there's
> last_imm_membership_change which is similar but for immediate memberships
> and privileges only.
> 
> Stems have a modify_time which is similar to groups.  They also have
> last_membership_change, which tells you when a privilege was last added or
> deleted from the stem.  I'm guessing this is not what you want.
> 
> So are you looking for membership changes only?  So if a membership is
> added to a group that's within a stem (scope = sub), then are you
> considering that stem to be modified?  How about attribute changes?  For
> instance, an attribute may be added within a stem.  Or an attribute value
> may be added to an assignment on a membership that's in a group within a
> stem.
> 
> Similarly, are you considering a member to be modified only if it was
> added or removed from a group?  Again, how about attributes?
> 
> 
>> 
>> There is a provisioning option to select groups that have been
>> modified since some point in time. If I wanted to select stems and
>> members that have been modified since some point in time, I would need
>> to enumerate child groups or memberships and check each associated
>> group for the last modified time, right ?
>> 
> 
> So depending on what exactly you're looking for, this may work to find
> modified stems.  Though I don't see what you mean about looking at the
> last modified time of a group to get the last time a member was modified -
> I may not be reading that correctly.
> 
> It's possible that using the point in time data may help (I can add
> methods to the API) again depending on what exactly you're looking for.
> 
> Thanks!

Well, if grouper represents a collection of objects (groups, members, 
attributes, roles) which refer to other objects, then, for a given interval 
of time, I would like to find any references which have been added or 
removed, scoped to a single object, by kind of object referred to, or at 
greater depth of reference.

Does that make sense ? I want to know if something's relationship web has 
changed.