Presence and IntComm WG

[Ben Teitelbaum <>]

To elaborate somewhat:

  * We tested between uab.edu and Google Talk (gmail.com) using an
    "ancient jabberd", according to John-Paul;
  * We tested between duke.edu and Google Talk (gmail.com);
  * We also tested using heterogeneous clients (Google's client, Adium,
    and GAIM)
  * IM worked;
  * Presence updates worked;
  * Custom presence worked;
  * Typing indication worked;

In short, as Heather said: "Test were successful".  We couldn't break
anything (at least not doing simple user-level things).

Local IdM and Auth, global connectivity--pretty cool!

-- ben

Heather Flanagan 
<>
 writes:

> Tests were successful.  The world of messaging has just gotten bigger.
>
> Heather Flanagan
> Senior Manager, OIT-CSI-Collaborative Systems
> 
> On Jan 19, 2006, at 5:05 PM, Ben Teitelbaum wrote:
>
>> John-Paul Robinson 
>> <>
>>  writes:
>>
>>> I'm still running jabber deployment in my lab, it's open to anyone
>>> at UAB
>>> though there are only a few takers.
>>>
>>> I've been eager to test the connectivity but don't know any google
>>> XMPP
>>> users.   Anyone interested in sending me a hello.
>>>
>>>   jabberid: 
>>> 
>>
>> John-Paul and Heather,
>>
>> A few minutes ago, I sent contact invitations to each of you from
>> .
>>   I've received no responses yet; but when/if I do,
>> we can run through a few basic IM&P tests together.
>>
>> -- ben
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 19 Jan 2006, Heather Flanagan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Folks at Duke are still running a jabber server.  We saw the
>>>> announcement, but so far haven't seen much (any!) interaction with
>>>> Google Talk yet.  I suspect it will come before too long.  All things
>>>> considered, it should Just Work (tm). :-)
>>>>
>>>> Heather Flanagan
>>>> Senior Manager, OIT-CSI-Collaborative Systems
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 19, 2006, at 4:37 PM, Ben Teitelbaum wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Five months after Neal sent the last message to this list, Google
>>>>> Talk's open XMPP federation is live [1]!
>>>>>
>>>>> Who from the I2MM group is still running a Jabber server?  What has
>>>>> been the experience interop'ing with Google Talk thus far?
>>>>>
>>>>> -- ben
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.
>>>>> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2006/01/open-federation-for-google-
>>>>> talk.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Neal McBurnett 
>>>>> <>
>>>>>  writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Google has stepped into the IM and voice call markets, using
>>>>>> XMPP/jabber, with SIP support on the way.  They're working on a
>>>>>> federation with policies to allow open interoperability but curtail
>>>>>> spam and protect privacy.  It will be interesting to follow this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neal McBurnett                 http://bcn.boulder.co.us/~neal/
>>>>>> Signed and/or sealed mail encouraged.  GPG/PGP Keyid: 2C9EBA60
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.google.com/talk/about.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.google.com/talk/developer.html
>>>>>> excerpts:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  "Google Talk uses the standard XMPP protocol for authentication,
>>>>>>  presence, and messaging"
>>>>>>  TLS is required   The only supported authentication mechanism is
>>>>>> SASL PLAIN
>>>>>>  We plan to support SIP in a future release
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Google Talk currently does not encrypt chats or calls. But we are
>>>>>>  working hard to make many improvements to Google Talk while it
>>>>>> is in
>>>>>>  beta, and we plan to fully support encryption of chats and calls
>>>>>>  before our official release.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  What protocols are used for voice calls?
>>>>>>  Google Talk supports a custom XMPP-based signaling protocol and
>>>>>>  peer-to-peer communication mechanism. We will fully document this
>>>>>>  protocol. In the near future, we plan to support SIP signaling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Today, Google Talk supports the following standard voice codecs:
>>>>>>  PCMA, PCMU, G.723, iLBC. We are also evaluating the Speex
>>>>>> codec. We
>>>>>>  also support codecs from Global IP Sound: ISAC, IPCMWB, EG711U,
>>>>>> EG711A
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  We are working closely with Earthlink and Sipphone to federate
>>>>>>  EarthLink's Vling service and Sipphone's Gizmo Project with the
>>>>>>  Google Talk service as quickly as possible
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  it is important to balance openness with ensuring that we
>>>>>>  maintain a safe and reliable service that protects user privacy
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>  blocks spam and other abuses. We are using the federation
>>>>>> opportunity
>>>>>>  with EarthLink and Sipphone to develop a set of guidelines by
>>>>>> which
>>>>>>  all members of the federated network can work together to
>>>>>> ensure that
>>>>>>  we protect our users while maximizing the reach of the network. We
>>>>>>  are also eager to hear from other people in the industry about how
>>>>>>  best to build a federation model that is open, scalable, and
>>>>>> ensures
>>>>>>  best-in-class user experiences. If you have thoughts on
>>>>>> federation or
>>>>>>  suggestions for how we can better enable open communications,
>>>>>> please
>>>>>>  share them with us at the Google Talk Interoperability Google
>>>>>> Group.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   http://groups.google.com/group/google-talk-open
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Ben Teitelbaum   http://people.internet2.edu/~ben/
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Ben Teitelbaum   http://people.internet2.edu/~ben/
>
>

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