wg-multicast - Re: Filtering IANA Reserved Group Addresses
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- From: Caren Litvanyi <>
- To: Matthew Davy <>
- Cc:
- Subject: Re: Filtering IANA Reserved Group Addresses
- Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:27:15 -0500 (EST)
In the past when this was discussed, the user-education mountain
was just too high. It was thought we would do too much damage
to multicast, meaning, it would work even less than it already
does for end-users. They'd pick an address in the wrong range,
then just give up when it didn't work. It sounds like a good
idea, but, today there is a fair amount of legitimate traffic there.
I think the filtering would be helpful, just not sure about how
to get the user education to happen. Most freely available docs
out there don't do much to encourage end-users to pick their
group address wisely.
Thanks,
Caren
On Tue, 20 Nov 2007, Matthew Davy wrote:
I'm going to jump back on my soapbox about filtering the IANA Reserved multicast group addresses (ie 225/8-231/8 and 234/8-238/8) at all inter-domain borders.
Today we had another round of MSDP instability caused by a single host scanning the entire 224/4 address space. The vast majority of this address space is IANA Reserved address space that should not be routed inter-domain any more than unicast IANA Reserved addresses. Also, 232/8 is set aside for SSM and 239/8 is "private" address space so you should never see MSDP SAs for groups in these blocks either. That leaves just 224/8 and 233/8 to be used for inter-domain ASM. Therefore these are the only address blocks that are legitimate group addresses for MSDP SAs.
If you are responsible for multicast on a campus, statewide or regional network, I encourage you to update your MSDP SA filters to only permit SAs with group addresses in the 224/8 and 233/8 address ranges. I think this filter should also be implemented on the Internet2 backbone.
You may ask why we don't just go do this, if this is obviously the right thing to do ? Well, I just looked and it appears there are a few dozen group addresses in these IANA Reserved ranges that are in active use. I'm basing this on the fact that there are 2 or more active sources from different organizations for these groups. As you might expect, the groups are typically along the lines of 226.1.2.3 and 225.3.4.5. So by implementing this, we will likely break some applications, but I think the long-term benefits to the stability of multicast would be significant.
- Matt
Matt Davy
Chief Network Architect, Indiana University
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Caren Litvanyi, network engineer
Global Research NOC at Indiana University
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- Filtering IANA Reserved Group Addresses, Matthew Davy, 11/20/2007
- Re: Filtering IANA Reserved Group Addresses, Caren Litvanyi, 11/26/2007
- Re: Filtering IANA Reserved Group Addresses, Bill Owens, 11/27/2007
- Re: Filtering IANA Reserved Group Addresses, jay young, 11/27/2007
- Re: Filtering IANA Reserved Group Addresses, debbie fligor, 11/27/2007
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