wg-multicast - RE: The Black Sea Project
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- From: "Richard Mavrogeanes" <>
- To: "Richard Mavrogeanes" <>
- Cc: "Kevin C. Almeroth" <>, <>
- Subject: RE: The Black Sea Project
- Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:21:40 -0400
Update
I wish to thank the many people who volunteered to help. Here is an update:
The video is now being broadcast from the ship. For testing, the video is
often just
a movie sourced from a DVD player on this ship, and much of the testing is
resolving satellite transmission issues. The project begins on July 28th, so
prior
to this the video feed may be just these sorts of tests.
There are three "channels" -- MPEG-2 at 4 Mbps, MPEG-4 at 180 Kbps, and
MPEG-4 at 56 Kbps (for dial-up users to the public Internet).
Although I don't have local I2 access, I can use the test tunneling client and
I successfully see the Program Guide (SAP's) listed in StreamPlayer. I can
also receive the (lower speed) video. I have communicated with a number
of folks who have sucessfully tuned in, and I see the sessions listed on
several SDR monitors. All of the sessions have TTL=127, and I see the
sessions on SDR monitor in Germany, etc.
I have communicated with several people who wish to see the video but
cannot. This appears to be true because of firewall issues, or lack of
multicast
in the campus LAN. I would encourage anyone with these issues to post their
questions here, and perhaps others on the list can provide assistance.
It is easy to tune in using StreamPlayer (which is free and is a web page
with embedded
player) or StreamPlayer Plus (available as a 30-day free demo). When you
launch
StreamPlayer, you should see the Program Guide populate with the various MPEG
multicast sessions currently available on the Internet-2. If you do not see
this list,
you likely do not have multicast connectivity...so far this has been the case
with a
number of interested parties. It would be pointless to manually enter an
address
if you cannot see the list since both the list and the videos are multicast.
These
players are only available for Windows machines, but you can contact us about
availability of a Linux player. I will also send a URL to a dedicated player
to
this list in a few days.
I was surprized to learn that SAP propagation seems slow, and if anyone can
offer insight into this question I would be happy to learn. We issue SAP's
for
the program guide, but I find that they often don't show up on some desktops
until many hours have passed.
If you do tune in from time to time, please know that the video jumps,
freezes,
and artifacts are all coming from the source at this point. Also please know
that
the audio is currently disabled.
I would be happy to receive periodic messages from anyone with viewing
reports.
Thanks again,
Rich Mavrogeanes
VBrick Systems, Inc.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Mavrogeanes
Sent: Sat 7/19/2003 10:59 AM
To:
Cc: Kevin C. Almeroth;
Subject: The Black Sea Project
Folks,
I need your help. But first some background:
On or about July 25th, we will begin broadcasting live MPEG-2 and
MPEG-4 audio/video from a research ship in the Black Sea. This is part of a
$5M project to explore the fantastic underwater treasures of human history
that have been preserved under hundreds of meters of oxgen-free water. The
research is being conducted by Dr. Bob Ballard (who discovered the Titantic,
PT-109, etc), and is sponsored by the National Geographic among others. You
can learn more about the expedition at www.expedition2003.org.
The significant part of this project is that viewers will be able to
witness the discoveries live, as they occur. The video is sourced from the
ship deck, but more importantly from the Remote Vechicle's cameras as it
makes discoveries. This promises to be truly compelling, although I would
anticipate long periods of "not much".
This event has made national press, and I suspect will be on the
evening news at some point during the project (July25 - August 25). Dr.
Ballard promotes the Internet-2 in almost every talk he gives. As a result,
the multicast traffic on Abilene may reach record levels (or not).
The video signals originate at the ship, are sent via satellite to an
earth station in Portland Maine, travel via DSL to Plano TX (EDS), then
travel via I2 to the University of Rhode Island where they are displayed on a
specially built console. The video signals are then encoded into MPEG-2 at
6Mbps and MPEG-4 at 200 Kbps by a VBrick and presented to the URI campus
network and Abiliene.
Several institutions have built large venue theaters to exhibit the
live video. Others are using StreamPlayer to view the live videos at their
desktops. In theory, virtually every I2 participant should be able to view
the events live, but we know that the penatration of multicast in the campus
networks is not what it might be.
The videos are sent via multicast, and I can see it listed at several
of the SDR monitors . As you would imagine, this is not without issues since
the source campus network was not configured for IGMP (CGMP in this case). I
do not have I2 access in my office, so I cannot monitor the video in real
time.
As a matter of interest, the MPEG-4 video is also sent from the
VBrick via RTSP unicast on the public Internet, and will appear on the
project web site during the mission.
For the last few weeks, we've been multicasting on 233.56.12.14 and
233.56.12.114, and will may bring up another stream next week. You can see
the video as "Black Sea Project" in both MPEG-2 and MPEG-4, and you can get a
free player (if you don't already have it) from the VBrick web site.
Currently, the video is just a very cheap camera pointed out the window, but
it will switch to the Black Sea audio/video on July 25th. As of this message,
we are not sending but it should be back up on Monday although it will up and
down as we make changes during the next few days.
Now for my request for help. I'm looking for someone to work with
with good access that I can call with a regular "can you see it now?". On
Monday, for example, the the good folks at URI (who are unfamilar with
multicast) wish to prove to themselves that the bandwidth requirement from
their campus stays the same regardless of the number of viewers (as I said,
unfamilar with multicast). Beyond this, it would be most useful if I could
find someone with the time to assist others troubleshooting. I am
handicapped by not having local I2 access, and further handicapped by
marginal backbone knowledge and familarity with the tools.
Thanks in advance,
Rich Mavrogeanes
VBrick Systems
1-203-303-0200
- The Black Sea Project, Richard Mavrogeanes, 07/19/2003
- Re: The Black Sea Project, jzeeff, 07/19/2003
- Re: The Black Sea Project, Marshall Eubanks, 07/21/2003
- Re: The Black Sea Project, Marshall Eubanks, 07/23/2003
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- RE: The Black Sea Project, Richard Mavrogeanes, 07/20/2003
- RE: The Black Sea Project, Richard Mavrogeanes, 07/26/2003
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