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  • From: Peter Schober <>
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  • Subject: Re: [Shib-Dev] online attack resistance for UserPassword
  • Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 00:13:34 +0200
  • Organization: Vienna University Computer Center

* Leif Johansson
<>
[2011-05-31 23:00]:
> In their OIX application process [1], Google by way of Eric Sachs
> argues for rate-limiting using CAPTCHAs as a way to reduce the
> practicality of online password guessing attempts.

Jfyi, on the SimpleSAMLphp list rate-limiting (and ultimately
temporarily locking out of accounts or IP-addresses) was suggested by
writing unsuccessful authentication attempts for a username to a
memcache instance -- including the user agent's IP address (replacing
memcache with JBoss Infinispan for the Shib IdP?).
The IP address might be relevant, e.g. when n failed authentication
attempts for the same username come from m different IP addresses in a
rather short period, or when n failed authentication attempts for m
different usernames come from the same IP address in some period, etc.

Either way, it's not possible to implement such policies in the
backend authentication system used by the IdP, as any such requests
will come the IdP's IP address, losing relevant information for policy
construction.
That doesn't mean that such a thing needs to be part of the IdP core,
I suppose.
-peter



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