perfSONAR User Q&A and Other Discussion

[Bill Owens <>]

Something like this? https://federatedcloud.org/

Bill. 

On 4/5/17, 2:35 PM, 
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 on behalf of Michael Smitasin" 
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 wrote:

     > Some service providers have language in their user agreements that 
    forbid disclosure of observed performance to third parties.
    
    *ponders implications of an R&E-focused VPS initiative* Anyone have an 
    unused datacenter or 5?
    
    Michael Smitasin
    Principal Network Engineer
    LBLnet Services Group
    Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
    
    
    On 4/5/2017 6:41 AM, Mark Feit wrote:
    > Eli Dart writes:
    >
    > It would be interesting to have a conversation with Amazon about 
expected data transfer performance numbers for different types of AWS 
instances, using different technologies (HTTP, Globus S3 connector, etc).
    >
    > Do you think they might be receptive to something like this?
    >
    > I hate to be the thrower of cold water, but it’s likely to be a very 
short conversation.
    >
    > Unlike R&E, which has every reason to share this kind of thing in the 
interest of furthering research; businesses have every reason to play their 
cards very close to their chests for competitive advantage.  They also tend 
to be intentionally vague about performance because the 
oversubscription-based business model makes it unpredictable.  (Measurement 
in a rent-a-box environment has a long list of pitfalls and will probably be 
the subject of something I write in the future because it seems to be of 
interest to a lot of people.)
    >
    > There would be no business case for installing dedicated measurement 
machines because the cost relative to the return wouldn’t be worth it.  They 
may do this internally, but it’s done as part of their monitoring 
infrastructure and isn’t going to be available for us to run perfSONAR.   I 
should also note that Amazon does have a partnership with Rackspace to offer 
instances on dedicated systems, but they’re (predictably) expensive and 
probably don’t share EC2’s infrastructure.
    >
    > One other thing to consider:  Some service providers have language in 
their user agreements that forbid disclosure of observed performance to third 
parties.  It would be wise to consult your agreements with Amazon and others 
before having these discussions in any detail or making rented instances part 
of a publicly-visible dashboard to avoid running afoul of the terms.
    >
    > --Mark
    >