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  • From: Ben Beecher <>
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  • Subject: Re: [grouper-users] grouper 2.3 folder hierarchy for schools and courses folder
  • Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 11:41:05 -0400

At Columbia the course groups are organized by semester and by subject. That makes it easy to remove the courses that were given in a particular semester. We keep three semesters in Grouper. Currently we have Summer 2018, Fall 2018, and Spring 2019 in Grouper. When it's time to load Summer 2019 we will remove Summer 2018.

The courses for a particular semester are organized by subject which makes it possible to see a list of courses per subject. For example this folder contains Computer Science courses in the Fall 2018 semester.

Each course group contains the students enrolled in that course plus the course instructor(s). Here is an example of a specific course group. The group id includes the subject, course letter, course number, and section number.

The course name in grouper matches the course name in the Directory of Classes.


On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 6:43 PM Hyzer, Chris <> wrote:

I think that suggestion is a good one.  Still lots of ways to do this.


Group now has “types” that can mark folders or groups so they can be designated by something other than the folder they are in.


But the folder structure is still important…


At penn we don’t separate courses into separate school folders since there are so many crosslistings anyways.  We do payroll orgs centrally too


At penn we delegate the org folder SchoolOfEngineering, they use that for whatever they want.  For the generic reference groups those might be better placed centrally.  IF the school has reference groups that are loaded, there could be loader jobs there as well if specific to that school.


ref:student:courses:<term>:<course>:<section>:…    all courses centrally managed

ref:employee:payrollOrgs:<orgCode>                           all payroll orgs centrally managed

basis:idm:affiliations:<affilCode>                                   all raw affiliations

ref:idm:roles:employee|student|etc                            rollup of raw basis affiliations

ref:org:SchoolOfEngineering:                                          whatever that school wants to do with this folder

ref:org:SchoolOfEngineering:app                                   their apps






From: <> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Williams
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 4:39 PM
To: Siju Jacob <>
Cc: Mailing List <>
Subject: Re: [grouper-users] grouper 2.3 folder hierarchy for schools and courses folder


Hi Siju,


I inherited our Grouper system a few years ago and have been slowly making adjustments to get it more in line with what the deployment guide suggests.


 Does it belong directly under root or under orgs or any other folder?    


(my $0.02) Bottom of Page 28 ought to get you where you need to be:

The org:
folder is also sometimes used to delineate ownership of applications, and may be used for
organizational scoped or maintained reference groups. The folder structure may replicate the
top-level folder structure, but will be scoped to the particular organization.


One way to slice it would be to organize your schools under org: (e.g. Rutgers:SchoolOfEngineering, Rutgers:SchoolOfArtsAndSciences, etc) and replicate at least some part of the top-level structure under that.  I'd say etc: and ref: at minimum.  The schools' ref:(p26) would house student, course, and dept. groups scoped to that particular school.  e.g.


Rutgers:SchoolOfEngineering:ref:course: - course rosters including instructors, TAs, etc

Rutgers:SchoolOfEngineering:ref:dept: - organization hierarchies

Rutgers:SchoolOfEngineering:ref:student: - types of students (class year, on-track-grad, incoming-class...)


That's my read on it.  Any others?


On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 3:25 PM Siju Jacob <> wrote:

Hi Team,

               We want to create the groups for schools in the university. We are keeping our staffs under org groups within the org folder.

    We want to keep the students based on each school name groups with in schools folder.

   It’s not clear to me from TIER document where the schools folder will belong to.

   Can someone guide me where will the schools folder belong as per the standards followed by grouper community.

  Does it belong directly under root or under orgs or any other folder?

      Also we want to create groups based on courses. Where will the groups named on each course belong to as per the grouper standard hierarchy.

     Any advice or guidance will be of great help and would be greatly appreciated..!



Siju Jacob



Jeffrey Williams 

Identity Engineer
Identity & Access Services


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