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["Klug, Lawrence" <>]

Hey Chris,

 

Would we need an additional  loader process to get the Subjects into Grouper prior to running the ORG jobs?

 

Thanks,

 

Lawrence

 

From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Chris Hyzer
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 6:18 PM
To: Nathan Kopp;
Subject: [grouper-users] RE: Grouper Loader

 

I think you can use Grouper rules to do what you want.  It does not use composite groups.  Though its not as easy to use as include/exclude…

 

https://spaces.internet2.edu/display/Grouper/Grouper+rules+use+case+-+Composite-ng+intersection

 

Thanks,

Chris

 

From: On Behalf Of Nathan Kopp
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 5:58 PM
To:
Subject: [grouper-users] RE: Grouper Loader

 

You know, it might be nice if standard groups could have an “exclude list” instead of having to use composite groups.

Alternatively, maybe composite groups could be enhanced to perform more than one set operation.  It just feels a little kludgy to have the “Math Professors system of record and includes” group, since it really is just an intermediary group.

 

Composite groups are nice and powerful, but whenever I use them I find that I sometimes end up needing to create a plethora of intermediary groups in order to calculate the desired result.

 

-Nathan

 

From: On Behalf Of Klug, Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 5:32 PM
To: Chris Hyzer
Cc:
Subject: [grouper-users] RE: Grouper Loader

 

Chris,

 

Ok, I’m beginning to understand.  Sorry it’s taking me so long.

 

I see that a leaf org (no descendants)  has only five groups. 

 

·  Org 111 - Math Professors  

·  Org 111 - Math Professors excludes

·  Org 111 - Math Professors includes

·  Org 111 - Math Professors system of record

·  Org 111 - Math Professors system of record and includes

 

And so, the groups labeled “ALL” are the “rollup groups”?  - can you explain how the rollup groups work?

 

The group at the top of the list  is a composite group – what you call the “Overall group”?

 

Also, what is the use case for includes/excludes, i.e., how do we know if we need them?  Are there any subjects in any of the include/exclude groups in the demo?

 

Thanks,

Lawrence

 

From: On Behalf Of Chris Hyzer
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 11:39 AM
To: Klug, Lawrence
Cc:
Subject: [grouper-users] RE: Grouper Loader

 

Adding this to the list since it is a good question

 

Ø  Looking at the structure created in the demo,  why there are ten groups for the Math department?

 

Well, I don’t know if orgs can have people assigned and have descendent orgs.  If so, then they 10 are:

 

5 rollup groups (includes the org itself), and 5 groups for the org without descendent orgs.

 

The 5 assume you want include/exclude.  If you want to be able to add people who aren’t in the DB where it is loaded from, and exclude people (for whatever reason).  If you don’t need include/exclude, then you would only have the system of record.

 

The 5 are:

 

System of record: loaded from DB

Excludes list: add people who will be excluded from overall

Includes list: add people who will be included in the overall list

Overall group: people in the system of record, who are not excluded, and including the included

System of record and includes: internal group to make sure group math work…

 

Basically if you only need one group, go for it, set your query to see if leaf or parent, and make it appear in the person loader query or rollup query, and don’t add include/exclude groups….

 

Ok?

 

Thanks,

Chris

 

 

From: Klug, Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:29 PM
To: Chris Hyzer
Subject: RE: Grouper Loader

 

Hi Chris,

 

Apologies if this is a stupid question:  Looking at the structure created in the demo,  why there are ten groups for the Math department?

 

Thanks,

 

Lawrence

 

·  Org 11 - Math

·  Org 11 - Math All

·  Org 11 - Math All excludes

·  Org 11 - Math All includes

·  Org 11 - Math All system of record

·  Org 11 - Math All system of record and includes

·  Org 11 - Math excludes

·  Org 11 - Math includes

·  Org 11 - Math system of record

·  Org 11 - Math system of record and includes