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  • Subject: [grouper-dev] Draft minutes: Grouper Call 19-Dec-2012
  • Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 18:47:15 +0000
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Draft Minutes, Grouper call 19-Dec-2012


Tom Barton, U. Chicago (chair)  
Chris Hyzer, University of Pennsylvania  
Shilen Patel, Duke University 
Michael Girgis, U. Chicago  
Steve Olshansky, Internet2  
Emily Eisbruch, Internet2, scribe  

New Action Items

[AI] (SteveO) draft text to add to the download page to encourage Grouper implementers to register on a voluntary basis.

Carry Over Action Items

[AI] (Shilen) contact PaulC about participation in the Social to SAML Gateway pilot

[AI] (Chris) update the services wiki page, incorporating the concepts of phases and use cases.

[AI] (Shilen) start a design wiki for the legacy attribute migration  

[AI] (Emily) reach out to frequent contributors on the list for refreshing the case studies

[AI] (Chris) upgrade the Grouper demo to the latest Grouper version 2.1 

[AI] (unassigned) add info to the wiki regarding doing testing on provisioning  

[AI] (unassigned) put test data in the Grouper demo to show using an LDAP source.


Social to SAML Gateway 

Work is ongoing looking at options to access the Grouper Demo. 

Shilen will reach out to Paul about the Social to SAML Gateway.
It was noted that work on the discovery service would be involved in this.

Grouper V.2.1.3

The Grouper 2.1.3 release is ready, except for the PSP build and resolving Maven issues.  This release is scheduled for January.

Optional Registration When Downloading Grouper

SteveO discussed with Andrew the registration procedures used by the uPortal project. uPortal uses a note on the splash screen. When the deployer brings up uPortal for the first time, there is the option to register (subscribe to mailing lists), and thus to be notified of future security announcements. 

Suggestion to add some text to the Grouper Download page, encouraging registration.

[AI] (SteveO) draft text to add to the download page to encourage Grouper implementers to register on a voluntary basis.

Grouper UI Redesign

The Grouper UI redesign is moving forward. See samples:

Michael reviewed highlights:
  • Working on a three-column layout with header at top
  • Left column has search box and various explore options
  • Middle column is focus for whatever entity (folder, group or person) you are looking for
  • Middle column is where most activity is going to happen
  • At top of middle column there will be a persistent breadcrumb
  • Can use star to add entity to favorites
  • Button will allow for editing
  • Right column is where additional tasks (e.g. bulk import/export or move/copy groups) are found
Q: Does having multiple columns complicate things when there are smaller screens?

A: On smaller screen, everything in right column collapses under the middle column, the columns fold on top of each other. See

The HiFi wireframes are being built using Twitter Bootstrap.

Q: When the screen collapses, should the right column go below the main content?
A: Yes, might make sense

Chris likes the approach, now on the LITE UI, of having an "Advanced" button, going to an Advanced Menu.

Michael: If you select "Alternate Left Column" option, you can see your groups and your favorites

Comment: probably need to see context for the groups (what folders they are in), since otherwise there can be multiple groups, all called "staff"  for example. 

But it's too cluttered to show all the groups someone manages within their tree structure.
Possibly show groups and then to the right of them, show the applicable path.

What about the model used in Internet Explorer, with a tree that expands and collapses?
Plus an option to show only those folders where I have things I can manage.

Potential compromise: show the immediate parent folder (but not all ancestors) for all group I can manage.

Note that some people have tens of thousands of things they manage.
Those people with so many groups can use search to find what they want.
However, if for people who only manage a few, it's convenient to have it queued up.

Under the "Alternate Left Column" view, the "show" feature is a canned set of filters (Groups I Manage, My Memberships, etc); It's not related to the freeform Search above

Be default, the "View a Group" page shows everyone associated with the group
That includes for example, people who have admin priv. but are not members.

There is a filter marked "show" where you can specify if you want to see just members, just direct members, just indirect members, just entities with  a particular privilege, etc.
Tried to put as much functionality on this "View a Group" page as possible without making it too confusing.

Q: Question about the word "people."
Should we use the word "Entities," since sometimes Grouper groups are used to manage things like machines?

A: Probably the word "members" is the best choice. Will find out during user testing if this is clear. 

Michael plans to send out a link to a way to test these basic concepts.

Grouper UI Redesign Timetable

May need additional meetings to discuss the Grouper UI

Michael will keep the Grouper Users List informed and keep them involved in the remote testing.

Q: When will we be done with the planning of the wireframes?
A: Michael: hope to be done with the wireframes as much as possible by mid-Feb. 2013

Next Call: Wed. 2-Jan-2013 at noon ET

Emily Eisbruch, Technology Transfer Analyst
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