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  • From: Rob Hebron <>
  • To: CAPITANCHIK Gabby <>
  • Cc: Grouper Dev <>
  • Subject: RE: [grouper-dev] Draft Minutes: Grouper Call 17-Feb-2010
  • Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:56:30 +0000
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My understanding is that BPEL only talks SOAP (and thus XML). Mule can talk
to a BPEL engine via SOAP. If we look more generally at BPM, there is no
standardised way of "plugging" another component into a BPM engine. JSR 207
was an attempt at this (proposed by BEA, which shows it's age!) and is
marked as inactive. Mule does have a BPM connector, targeted at JBoss jBPM
which has a java API, but I'm not sure how much mileage you'd get trying to
use it with a different BPM engine.


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To: Rob Hebron
Grouper Dev
Date: 02/26/2010 08:24AM
Subject: RE: [grouper-dev] Draft Minutes: Grouper Call 17-Feb-2010


A quick question from the audience ;) does Mule allow you to use BPEL


Gabby Capitanchik

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-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hebron
Sent: 25 February 2010 17:57
To: Grouper Dev
Subject: Re: [grouper-dev] Draft Minutes: Grouper Call 17-Feb-2010

-----Emily Eisbruch
wrote: -----

Q: How is the Provisioning Service Provider going to be picking up
changes from  the notification queue or change log?
A: TomZ: That's a challenge, since Shib is event driven. The resolver is
not written to handle a subset of info from sources. Not sure how it will
handle a subset.

I'm looking at a similar issue with the ESB connector. In some cases the
ESB may need to know more about (for example) a subject than just the
subjectId, or may need to get the whole membership. I'm either looking at
either adding extra data when it is sent from Grouper to the ESB, or
whether it would be feasible to expect the ESB to query Grouper via some
interface for the extra data that it needs. I know with Mule I can
implement a transformer that could do the lookup, but I need to check
whether other ESBs have similar functionality.


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