Presence and IntComm WG

["Ben Chinowsky" <>]

*Action Items as of May 17*

(high priority)
[ACTION] (5/11) Deke will have a programmer at Penn take a look at the SoC
code and set aside a little time for other aspects of PIC's XMPP work.
[ACTION] (5/11) Ben T. will look for students active in Place Lab to work
with PIC.
[ACTION] (5/4) Rodger will send the PIC WG a matrix of XMPP clients to try.
[ACTION] (5/4) Steve will draft a strawman proposal for PIC's XMPP work;
others are welcome to help.
[ACTION] (5/4) Rodger will send notes to assorted mailing lists, asking for
input on PIC's XMPP plan.

(medium priority)
[ACTION] (4/13) Rodger, Joe, Ben T., Steve, and Candace will continue testing
Gaim SIMPLE against pals.
[ACTION] (3/2) Joe will ask Jon Peterson to join a PIC call to talk about work
in IETF SIMPLE.
[ACTION] (1/12 - ongoing) Ben T., Candace, and Steve will continue with 
pals-dev
testing.
[ACTION] (1/5 - in progress) Rodger will look for carrier reps to present
perspectives on IMS.
[ACTION] (12/8 - in progress) Dennis will schedule Megan Pengelly to summarize
Columbia's PIC-SER experience on a future call.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8 - in progress) Candace will add a wiki document on strict 
vs.
loose routing.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8 - in progress) Rodger will try to reach his contact at
Barracuda Networks.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8 - in progress) Rodger will contact Erik Lagerway.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8 - in progress) Rodger and Joe will write up some use cases
for federations.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8) Rodger will try to organize a call with CounterPath.

(low priority)
[ACTION] (pre-12/8) Candace and Jamey will initiate an email discussion of 
their
proposal to modify the SER PA module so it can do presence via SUBSCRIBE and
NOTIFY, to accommodate clients that don't do PUBLISH.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8) Jamey will enable eyeBeam to use presence info to decide
whether messages should go straight to voicemail.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8) Jamey will update the interface requirements document.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8) People will research skiff-like offerings from various
companies:
- Dennis - Newbury
- Rodger - Airespace (now part of Cisco)
- Jeremy - Eckehau (via Walt Magnussen)
[ACTION] (pre-12/8) Ben T. will write a short document describing the 
motivation
for the paths-in-the-snow approach to PIC development.

*Attendees*

Rodger Will (chair) - Ford
Dennis Baron - MIT
Deke Kassabian - Penn
Steve Blair - Penn
Ben Teitelbaum - Internet2
Ben Chinowsky (scribe) - Internet2

*Discussion*

Deke noted that Michael Gettes is available to join the PIC calls on May 18 
and
every other week thereafter.

The group discussed if and how to cover presence in its XMPP work. Ben T. has
code from last year's Summer of Code that parses iCalendar using webDAV. This
could probably be repurposed for Jabber, using the existence of calendar items
to drive presence -- for example, listing you as "in a meeting" if your 
calendar
says you should be. [ACTION] Deke will have a programmer at Penn take a look 
at
the SoC code and set aside a little time for other aspects of PIC's XMPP work.

Rodger asked the group if another Member Meeting demo would be the right way 
to
show off XMPP presence work. Ben T. observed that previous MM demos have 
raised
interest, but then let people down by being unreliable. Steve suggested
positioning the next demo as an early version of a future PIC-SER release.
Ben T. suggested the group look into using Place Lab 
(http://www.placelab.org/)
for device location at the next demo. Ben noted that Place Lab appears to work
well, especially if you survey the space ahead of time. There was strong
interest from the group; [ACTION] Ben T. will look for students active in 
Place
Lab to work with PIC. Rodger noted that we need to identify project management
-- someone who'll have the same role for the XMPP presence work that Candace
had for PIC-SER.

Rodger noted that Ford is bringing up Windows Live Communications Server. It's
deeply integrated into the Windows desktop, among other things using calendar
information for presence. Overall, Rodger described LCS as compelling for
presence and IM in a professional context, but extremely expensive. He's
interested in finding someone to try federating their LCS with Ford's through
a firewall.