Presence and IntComm WG

[Ben Chinowsky <>]

*Action Items as of April 6*

(medium priority)
[ACTION] (3/16) Deke will get a jabberd 2.x server set up at Penn.
[ACTION] (3/2) Joe will ask Jon Peterson to join a PIC call to talk 
about work
in IETF SIMPLE.
[ACTION] (1/12 - ongoing) Ben T., Candace, and Steve will continue with 
pals-dev
testing.
[ACTION] (1/5 - in progress) Rodger will look for carrier reps to present
perspectives on IMS.
[ACTION] (12/8 - in progress) Dennis will schedule Megan Pengelly to 
summarize
Columbia's PIC-SER experience on a future call.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8 - in progress) Candace will add a wiki document on 
strict vs.
loose routing.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8 - in progress) Rodger will try to reach his contact at
Barracuda Networks.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8 - in progress) Rodger will contact Erik Lagerway.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8 - in progress) Rodger and Joe will write up some use 
cases
for federations.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8) Rodger will try to organize a call with CounterPath.

(low priority)
[ACTION] (pre-12/8) Candace and Jamey will initiate an email discussion 
of their
proposal to modify the SER PA module so it can do presence via SUBSCRIBE and
NOTIFY, to accommodate clients that don't do PUBLISH.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8) Jamey will enable eyeBeam to use presence info to decide
whether messages should go straight to voicemail.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8) Jamey will update the interface requirements document.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8) People will research skiff-like offerings from various
companies:
- Dennis - Newbury
- Rodger - Airespace (now part of Cisco)
- Jeremy - Eckehau (via Walt Magnussen)
[ACTION] (pre-12/8) Ben T. will write a short document describing the 
motivation
for the paths-in-the-snow approach to PIC development.

*Attendees*

Rodger Will (chair) - Ford
Dennis Baron - MIT
Steve Blair - Penn
Candace Holman - Harvard
Ben Teitelbaum - Internet2
Ben Chinowsky (scribe) - Internet2

*Discussion*

The group discussed the state of PIC-related working groups. The VoIP WG 
(http://voip.internet2.edu/) has been very quiet
lately, though its mailing list has almost 300 subscribers. Ben T. 
described SIP.edu (http://www.internet2.edu/sip.edu/) as
"like a very healthy and vibrant SIG". PIC itself has about 120 
subscribers. Candace noted that she's seen renewed interest
in the new PA module on the ser-users list. Ben T. suggested contacting 
I2IM to organize a brainstorming session on how PIC
should go forward with its XMPP efforts. Rodger suggested that PIC get 
back up to date on what SIP clients are available.
Windows Messenger 4.5 apparently doesn't  follow the SIP standard 
closely enough for full interoperability, and no one has
heard much from Wave 3 lately.

Rodger noted a common pattern with large corporations' efforts to stamp 
out consumer IM: first they block it, then they get
complaints from people high up in the organization who were using it, 
then they either try to develop an approved system that
offers greater value, or relent and just let people use the consumer 
services.

Ben C. will not be on the April 6 call; Ben T. will take notes for Ben 
C. to write up.