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Re: [grouper-users] what is a group authorized to do ?

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  • From: Steven Carmody <>
  • To: Jim Fox <>
  • Cc: Grouper-Users <>
  • Subject: Re: [grouper-users] what is a group authorized to do ?
  • Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 14:59:23 -0500
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On 3/1/17 2:47 PM, Jim Fox wrote:

We now have some dept-based group managers asking "before I add a
person to group X, how can I find out the set of permissions and
services are granted to that group?". A perfectly reasonable question.

In general you cannot answer that question. You have no real knowledge
of the use of group membership by external applications. Better might
be to document what the group is for and what kind of people belong in it.

The problem we often encounter is that we state "this group is for faculty of dept X". A significant part of Brown's personality, tho, is cross-departmental co-projects. Most dept web sites list official faculty, and also list "affiliated" faculty. They tend to treat the affiliated faculty as dept members.

So, when they go to add an affiliated person to the dept group, what are they giving that person ? In their mind, its just a quirk of the business systems that this person isn't an official member of the dept.

I'll look for a better example if you'd prefer -- but I think this demonstrates the problem. Faculty in Dept X get lots of services, and we want this person to get *some* of them. But, what else would they get ?

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