Presence and IntComm WG

["Ben Chinowsky" <>]

*Action Items as of May 10*

[ACTION] (5/3) All will review the use cases at
https://wiki.internet2.edu/confluence/display/picwg/PIC+Use+Cases with a view
toward recruitment for PIC.edu.
[ACTION] (5/3) Deke will remind Mark to revise the features list, adding XMPP
items to the "Protocol Specific" section, and making the "User Features" and
"Security and Privacy" sections protocol-agnostic.
[ACTION] (4/12) Jonathan and Deke will look for a permanent chair for the PIC
working group.
[ACTION] (3/22) Jonathan will look for PIC.edu resources at Radvision, 
Tandberg,
and Polycom.
[ACTION] (3/22) Dennis will see if PIC.edu resources are available in Europe.
[ACTION] (3/8) Jonathan will find out what's going on with presence in the
Access Grid community, and if there is interest in PIC.edu there.
[ACTION] (3/1) Dennis will recruit someone from Google to join a call to 
discuss
how they might be able to participate in PIC.edu.

(medium priority)
[ACTION] (1/4) Prashant will send out some links on how XMPP relates to
federations.
[ACTION] (12/14) Rodger and Prashant will further discuss how CampusEAI could
participate in PIC.

(low priority)
[ACTION] (9/7) Mark will Applescript-enable his presence agent and post the 
code
on the web.
[ACTION] (8/31) Dennis will contact Skyhook for more information.
[ACTION] (8/24 - in progress) Mark will see if he can find interest in the
presence-agent project on the Psi developers' list.
[ACTION] (8/3) Rodger will put a discussion of current vendor offerings in the
location-services space on the agenda for a future call.
[ACTION] (5/18) Mark will evaluate prospects for modifying the calendar-
integration code written by Ben T.'s 2005 SoC student, to drive XMPP presence.
[ACTION] (in progress) Rodger and Joe will write up some use cases
for enterprise federations.

*Attendees*

Deke Kassabian (interim chair) - Penn
Candace Holman - independent
Dennis Baron - MIT
Tim Callahan - Michigan
Randy Stout - Kansas Board of Regents
Peter St. Andre - Jabber Software Foundation
Jonathan Tyman - Internet2
Neal McBurnett - Internet2
Michael Gettes - Internet2
Ben Chinowsky (scribe) - Internet2

*Discussion*

The group reviewed the face-to-face PIC session at the Internet2 Member 
Meeting.
Topics discussed were:
- types of presence (online/offline, location, available communication
capabilities, calendaring...)
- types of integrated communications (getting apps to work together vs.
combining capabilities in the same app, combining email and voicemail
inboxes...) There was general agreement that integrated communications should 
be
able to upgrade or downgrade gracefully in response to changing network
conditions, e.g. adding video to a conversation when network conditions are
favorable, dropping back to IM when they're not.
- PIC demos at previous Member Meetings and Joint Techs
- the PIC-SER project
- prospects for PIC.edu

The group further discussed how presence (P) and integrated communications 
(IC)
should be related in its work. Michael suggested that we treat P and IC as
"separate but related" efforts; either can stand on its own. In particular,
while P greatly enhances IC, it can enhance a lot of other things too; it 
might
be worth narrowing the group's scope to P alone.

Tim noted Microsoft's latest foray into PIC; see
http://news.com.com/1606-2-6170363.html . Jonathan noted that Microsoft
LiveMeeting tells other users how many windows you have open on your computer;
this is intended as a rough measure of how much attention you're paying to the
conversation.

Finally the group continued its discussion of use cases. Tim noted that at
Michigan there is strong interest in making text messaging interoperate across
universities, carriers, and vendors; he'd like to see a project that could 
bring
in enough people to influence the carriers and vendors. Randy noted that there
has recently been a lot of discussion in the Internet K-20 advisory group 
around
projects like those discussed in the PIC WG. There was general agreement that 
a

good next step would be to conduct a survey that would put forward, and gauge
interest in, a few use cases for a simple PIC.edu package. [ACTION] All will
review the use cases at
https://wiki.internet2.edu/confluence/display/picwg/PIC+Use+Cases with a view
toward recruitment for PIC.edu.