Presence and IntComm WG

[Neal McBurnett <>]

We're expecting that Peter Saint-Andre can join us tomorrow.

Here are some things that have come up that Peter can help with:

 how to make sharing of rosters easier, and/or ldap and rosters
 how to simplify sharing of permission for presence exchange, e.g. in
  workgroups
 accerss to geographical info via presence
 update on jingle in clients
 security update

Chime in with your own recollections on things I've forgotten.

Cheers,

Neal McBurnett                 http://mcburnett.org/neal/
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*Action Items as of July 5*

(high priority)
[ACTION] (6/29) Mark will find out if jabberd 1.x supports roster push.
[ACTION] (6/29) Mark will try using Applescript to specify an arbitrary
presence doc to publish.
[ACTION] (6/15) Rodger will look into the status of Jingle for Gaim.
[ACTION] (5/18) Ben T. will post the calendar-integration code (written by his
2005 SoC student) on the Penn XMPP server; Mark will evaluate prospects for
modifying it to drive XMPP presence.
[ACTION] (5/4) Rodger will send the PIC WG a matrix of XMPP clients to try.
[ACTION] (5/4) Rodger will send notes to assorted mailing lists, asking for
input on PIC's XMPP plan.

(medium priority)
[ACTION] (5/11 - on hold for the summer) Ben T. will look for students active
in Place Lab to work with PIC.
[ACTION] (4/13) Rodger, Joe, Ben T., Steve, and Candace will continue testing
Gaim SIMPLE against pals.
[ACTION] (3/2) Joe will ask Jon Peterson to join a PIC call to talk about work
in IETF SIMPLE.
[ACTION] (1/12 - ongoing) Ben T., Candace, and Steve will continue with 
pals-dev
testing.
[ACTION] (1/5 - in progress) Rodger will look for carrier reps to present
perspectives on IMS.
[ACTION] (12/8 - in progress) Dennis will schedule Megan Pengelly to summarize
Columbia's PIC-SER experience on a future call.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8 - in progress) Candace will add a wiki document on strict 
vs.
loose routing.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8 - in progress) Rodger will try to reach his contact at
Barracuda Networks.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8 - in progress) Rodger will contact Erik Lagerway.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8 - in progress) Rodger and Joe will write up some use cases
for federations.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8) Rodger will try to organize a call with CounterPath.

(low priority)
[ACTION] (pre-12/8) Candace and Jamey will initiate an email discussion of 
their
proposal to modify the SER PA module so it can do presence via SUBSCRIBE and
NOTIFY, to accommodate clients that don't do PUBLISH.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8) Jamey will enable eyeBeam to use presence info to decide
whether messages should go straight to voicemail.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8) Jamey will update the interface requirements document.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8) People will research skiff-like offerings from various
companies:
- Dennis - Newbury
- Rodger - Airespace (now part of Cisco)
- Jeremy - Eckehau (via Walt Magnussen)
[ACTION] (pre-12/8) Ben T. will write a short document describing the 
motivation
for the paths-in-the-snow approach to PIC development.

*Attendees*

Rodger Will (chair) - Ford
Joe Rork - Ford
Mark Sirota - Penn
Dennis Baron - MIT
Candace Holman - Harvard
Neal McBurnett - Internet2
Ben Chinowsky (scribe) - Internet2

*Discussion*

Mark noted that while JEP-0144 describes something like roster push, he hasn't
been able to find any servers or clients that support it.  There does seem to 
be
a lot of discussion of this in online forums though, so support may be
forthcoming. [ACTION] Mark will find out if jabberd 1.x supports roster push.

Dennis called the group's attention to the MIT iSPOTS location service (see
http://ispots.mit.edu/). It's not clear if or how PIC could make use of this.

The group noted several standards relevant to doing presence in Jabber:
- http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3921.txt, section 2.2
- http://www.jabber.org/jeps/jep-0112.html, in particular the
  references at the end
- http://www.jabber.org/jeps/jep-0080.html
- http://www.jabber.org/jeps/jep-0118.html
[ACTION] Mark will try using Applescript to specify an arbitrary presence
doc to publish.

The group spent the last part of the call experimenting with presence in Gaim.

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