Presence and IntComm WG

["Ben Chinowsky" <>]

*Action Items as of May 31*

(high priority)
[ACTION] (5/25) Deke will send Mark a list of PIC members who need jabberd
and/or shell accounts on the Penn XMPP server.
[ACTION] (5/25) Mark will look for XMPP software that supports roster push.
[ACTION] (5/25) All will send the list their thoughts on use cases that could
drive the group's XMPP work.
[ACTION] (5/18) Ben T. will post the calendar-integration code (written by his
2005 SoC student) on the Penn XMPP server; Mark will evaluate prospects for
modifying it to drive XMPP presence.
[ACTION] (5/11 - in progress) Ben T. will look for students active in Place 
Lab
to work with PIC.
[ACTION] (5/4) Rodger will send the PIC WG a matrix of XMPP clients to try.
[ACTION] (5/4 - in progress) Steve will draft a strawman proposal for PIC's 
XMPP
work; others are welcome to help.
[ACTION] (5/4) Rodger will send notes to assorted mailing lists, asking for
input on PIC's XMPP plan.

(medium priority)
[ACTION] (4/13) Rodger, Joe, Ben T., Steve, and Candace will continue testing
Gaim SIMPLE against pals.
[ACTION] (3/2) Joe will ask Jon Peterson to join a PIC call to talk about work
in IETF SIMPLE.
[ACTION] (1/12 - ongoing) Ben T., Candace, and Steve will continue with 
pals-dev
testing.
[ACTION] (1/5 - in progress) Rodger will look for carrier reps to present
perspectives on IMS.
[ACTION] (12/8 - in progress) Dennis will schedule Megan Pengelly to summarize
Columbia's PIC-SER experience on a future call.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8 - in progress) Candace will add a wiki document on strict 
vs.
loose routing.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8 - in progress) Rodger will try to reach his contact at
Barracuda Networks.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8 - in progress) Rodger will contact Erik Lagerway.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8 - in progress) Rodger and Joe will write up some use cases
for federations.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8) Rodger will try to organize a call with CounterPath.

(low priority)
[ACTION] (pre-12/8) Candace and Jamey will initiate an email discussion of 
their
proposal to modify the SER PA module so it can do presence via SUBSCRIBE and
NOTIFY, to accommodate clients that don't do PUBLISH.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8) Jamey will enable eyeBeam to use presence info to decide
whether messages should go straight to voicemail.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8) Jamey will update the interface requirements document.
[ACTION] (pre-12/8) People will research skiff-like offerings from various
companies:
- Dennis - Newbury
- Rodger - Airespace (now part of Cisco)
- Jeremy - Eckehau (via Walt Magnussen)
[ACTION] (pre-12/8) Ben T. will write a short document describing the 
motivation
for the paths-in-the-snow approach to PIC development.

*Attendees*

Rodger Will (chair) - Ford
Joe Rork - Ford
Deke Kassabian - Penn
Mark Sirota - Penn
Steve Blair - Penn
Dennis Baron- MIT
Candace Holman - Harvard
Ben Teitelbaum - Internet2
Ben Chinowsky (scribe) - Internet2

*Discussion*

The group discussed various aspects of its planned XMPP work.
- Steve asked if his XMPP strawman document should discuss SIMPLE. There was
general agreement that while SIMPLE and XMPP/SIMPLE gatewaying will not be a
major focus of this work, they should be included in the document.
- [ACTION] Deke will send Mark a list of PIC members who need jabberd and/or
shell accounts on the Penn XMPP server.
- There was interest in Rodger's suggestion that the group work on 
"interdomain
presence passing." Steve suggested that if we were to roll this out at an
Internet2 Member Meeting demo, then package it as a PIC-SER release, there
would likely be strong user interest in using it for IM.
- Rodger asked if XMPP can do "roster push" -- populating new users' buddy 
lists
from the server, so everyone doesn't have to manually subscribe to everyone 
else
before they can get started. Mark confirmed that it's in the spec, but he
doesn't know if there's actual code that supports it yet. [ACTION] Mark will
look for XMPP software that supports roster push.
- Rodger praised the calendar integration in the latest Microsoft Office
presence tools; he suggests taking a look at this to get ideas for a possible
open-standards-based implementation of calendar-driven presence.
- Mark noted that Jabber supports group chat with several levels of anonymity,
e.g., no one except the moderator can see who you are.
- The group considered mobile clients. There was general agreement that while 
we
should definitely stick with IP-only, this could well include working with new
types of devices, WiFi phones in particular.

[ACTION] All will send the list their thoughts on use cases that could drive 
the
group's XMPP work.