All things related to multicast

["Richard Mavrogeanes" <>]

Marshall, 
 
I don't wish to be picky, I just want to make sure I understand.  Isn't the 
issue exactly zero, and not just "less" without RTP?  I'm trying to construct 
any case where it would matter.
 
Granted, RTP brings other advantages and we support RTP too (for unicasts).
 
/rich
 

        -----Original Message----- 
        From: Marshall Eubanks 
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        Sent: Sun 8/13/2006 7:47 PM 
        To: Richard Mavrogeanes 
        Cc: 
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        Subject: Re: testing
        
        

        RTP expects the even/odd RTP / RTCP pairing. True, you can override 
        it, but
        the standard RTP monitoring tools then won't work well. Of course, 
        this is less of an issue
        if you don't use RTP.
        
        Regards
        Marshall
        
        
        On Aug 13, 2006, at 7:00 PM, Richard Mavrogeanes wrote:
        
        > The MPEG-2 is not RTP, it is MPEG-2TS.
        > But since the port is associated only with the group, I don't see 
        > why it would matter what port number you select.
        >
        > /rich
        >
        >
        >       -----Original Message-----
        >       From: Marshall Eubanks 
[mailto:]
        >       Sent: Thu 8/10/2006 1:16 PM
        >       To: 

        >       Cc: 

        >       Subject: Re: testing
        >      
        >      
        >
        >       Dear Frank;
        >      
        >       Not seeing it from here :
        >      
        >       bash-2.05b$ rtpdump -F ascii 233.88.214.137/4444
        >       <silence>
        >      
        >       BTW, you should use even ports for RTP.
        >      
        >       The whole question of multicast ports is a vexing one. Of 
course, you
        >       need to look at
        >      
        >       http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers
        >      
        >       Most multicasters just pick some at random (and, remember, 
most
        >       multicast is RTP,
        >       so if you pick port X, X should be even, and you will use X+1 
for
        >       RTCP AND if
        >       you are sending audio + video, then you will be using X+2 and 
X+3 as
        >       well.
        >      
        >       The trouble with just picking a random one is IANA will 
eventually
        >       assign it (unless
        >       it is up high in the private address space).
        >      
        >       AmericaFree.TV currently uses ports from 7500 to 8090, but I 
am
        >       intending to switch this to ports in the
        >       private port space :
        >      
        >             The Dynamic and/or Private Ports are those from 49152 
through
        >       65535
        >      
        >       I have proposed a number of times that the multicast 
community pick a
        >       port range (or ranges) for
        >       streaming, either through IANA or just in the private address 
space,
        >       but this has never seemed to find favor in Mboned.
        >      
        >       My current thinking is that multicast needs at least 1000 
ports (I
        >       could see sourcing 1000 SSM channels
        >       from one server), and so why not pick, say, 60,000 to 61,000 
? At any
        >       rate, that is my current thinking for
        >       AmericaFree.TV (which currently has 46 channels and thus 
needs almost
        >       200 ports now).
        >      
        >       (I will post this separately to the I2 WG mailing list.)
        >      
        >       Regards
        >       Marshall
        >      
        >       On Aug 10, 2006, at 12:53 PM, 

 wrote:
        >      
        >       > We are just getting started with multicasting, wondering if 
anyone
        >       > can see our multicast VBrick streams
        >       >
        >       > MPEG2 at 233.88.214.138, port 4443
        >       > MPEG4 at 233.88.214.137, port 4444 for video and 4644 for 
audio
        >       >
        >       > We are connecting to I2 through the Connecticut Education 
Network
        >       > (CEN). Last spring we could see our SAPs and streams on 
CEN, but
        >       > they were not making it to I2 for some reason.
        >       >
        >       > Also, we set up a special subnet just for I2 activities. 
Just
        >       > wondering if most institutions keep the firewall completely 
open to
        >       > all ports for this, or whether there is a set of "mutlicast-
        >       > activity" friendly ports suggested be kept open, to 
specific IPs on
        >       > the subnet.
        >       >
        >       > Thanks,
        >       >
        >       > Frank Fulchiero
        >       > Digital Media Specialist
        >       > Connecticut College
        >       >
        >      
        >      
        >