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- From: Jim Fox <>
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- Subject: Re: [Shib-Dev] PAOS/ECP Problems With Signed Messages
- Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:29:32 -0700
There is a test shell script in the svn repository (doc/testecp.sh) that
shows how the soap messages are handled.
Jim
On Sep 12, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Scott Cantor wrote:
>> Currently the ECP implementation in the Shibb IdP plugin seems to sign
>> the entire SOAP message rather than just the body.
>
> I'd be very surprised if that were the case, I don't recall discussing any
> profile for doing that. Can you post a sample? I'm only aware of us allowing
> for signatures over SAML objects, either the Response or the Assertion.
> Neither involves SOAP, body or otherwise. Is there perhaps a buggy signature
> using a URI of "" instead of a fragment reference?
>
>> This is a problem as
>> that leaves us unable to re-insert the RelayState headers in the SOAP
>> message before sending the IdP's response back to the SP.
>
> Well, no. That would be incorrect anyway. the client does NOT send the SOAP
> message from the IdP to the SP, it creates its own SOAP message and adds the
> Response from the Body of the IdP's message to that message along with some
> other headers, such as RelayState. You can't just copy the XML verbatim.
>
>> In our opinion
>> this leaves us with two approaches; either modify both the Shibb SP and
>> the Shibb IdP plugin to only sign the body of the message,
>
> Something is fishy there. The SP certainly does no signing at the SOAP
> layer.
>
>> or modify the
>> IdP plugin to not strip the RelayState header.
>
> I don't know what that means. The IdP would never see that header. If it
> does, the client has a bug.
>
>> At the moment we have
>> taken the simpler approach of only modifying the IdP plugin. This leaves
>> the RelayState header in the SOAP message that goes to the IdP. While
>> this leaves in extra information that the IdP would not normally know,
>> this is only the name of the cookie at the SP end that links the request
>> to the protected resource that was initially requested. Since this isn't
>> the contents of the cookie and only its name, we didn't think this would
>> be a problem.
>
> That is deployment specific, it is not always a cookie name.
>
>> What would be the correct way to handle this interaction?
>
> See above. Something is seriously off.
>
>> Ideally we'd like to be able to keep the RelayState header in the
>> message sent to the IdP as this allows modifications to existing clients
>> to be much simpler.
>
> Sorry, that's not permitted. If for no other reason than because of the
> mustUnderstands in the header blocks. Whether or not we implement proper
> SOAP handling in the IdP, you can't implement things in a manner that would
> require incorrect SOAP handling.
>
> -- Scott
>
>
- [Shib-Dev] PAOS/ECP Problems With Signed Messages, Andrew Seales, 09/12/2010
- Re: [Shib-Dev] PAOS/ECP Problems With Signed Messages, Jim Fox, 09/12/2010
- RE: [Shib-Dev] PAOS/ECP Problems With Signed Messages, Scott Cantor, 09/12/2010
- Re: [Shib-Dev] PAOS/ECP Problems With Signed Messages, Jim Fox, 09/12/2010
- Re: [Shib-Dev] PAOS/ECP Problems With Signed Messages, Andrew Seales, 09/27/2010
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