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Apologies for the abrupt introdution during the conference call


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  • From: Peter Murray <>
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  • Subject: Apologies for the abrupt introdution during the conference call
  • Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 10:46:17 -0400

My apologies for what might have seemed like an unexpected intrusion in the shib-dev conference call yesterday afternoon. After subscribing to the mailing list and reading the archives, I had intended to merely lurk on the conference call but as comments came up I may have caused the group to rehash issues that had been decided.

My immediate interest in the Shibboleth project comes from participation in the NISO Metasearch Initiative (NISO-MSI -- <http://www.niso.org/committees/MS_initiative.html>) Task Group 1 on Access Management (<http://www.niso.org/committees/MS-task_groups.html#1>). Libraries are building "metasearch engines" that enable users to conduct a search across a wide variety of databases and other systems. NISO created the initiative to deal with the problems that the early, ad-hoc adoption of these tools has caused: how engines can discover what resources are available (task group #2), search them in ways that don't rely on, at worse, HTML-scraping tools (task group #3) and do so in such a way to ensure the proper rights and permissions are used (task group #1).

These task groups are just now getting started, and one of the first things TG1 is doing is constructing a taxonomy of terms in access management so we can all be sure we are talking about the same thing. The use of the term "origin", in fact, points to the difficulties. In the RFC for "Internet Web Replication and Caching Taxonomy" <http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3040.txt> the word 'origin' refers to that which holds the resource. As you know, libraries have been making do with proxies for a long time, so Shibboleth's use of the word 'origin' to mean the home institution of the user could be a source of confusion.

As an aside, I have not found a concise source for terminology usage in the Shibboleth documentation, but in the conference call I believe someone said Nate was working on such a document. On behalf of the NISO-MSI, I'd be happy to help out as it will benefit some mutual interests.

During the North East Regional Computing Program (NERCOMP) annual conference last month, Phyllis Shuey from Penn State described their work with Shibboleth and included a discussion of "coming attractions" with the LionShare project. There is a striking similarity between the what is proposed there and what could be used in a metasearch environment. For the sake of simplifying discussion threads, I'll include that in a different message.


Peter
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Peter Murray http://www.pandc.org/peter/work/
Assistant to the Director for Technology Initiatives 860-486-6771
University of Connecticut Libraries Storrs, Connecticut


  • Apologies for the abrupt introdution during the conference call, Peter Murray, 04/06/2004

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