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[Steve Olshansky <>]

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From: "simon Fenton- jones" <>

Date: January 6, 2011 4:14:39 PM MST

To: "'Steve Olshansky'" <>

Subject: RE: Aggregating Global Groups

Thanks so much steve,

I attached some mail which I've just sent to one of my Aussie
correspondents, which will give 'who ever' you pass this enquiry to, a
better idea of the discussion.
Should make for an interesting year.
All the best,
simon

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Olshansky [mailto:]
Sent: Friday, 7 January 2011 9:36 AM
To: simon Fenton- jones
Subject: Re: Aggregating Global Groups

HI Simon-
I will pass this along, you should hear back in the near future.

Cheers-
Steve


On Jan 6, 2011, at 3:32 PM, simon Fenton- jones wrote:

Thanks Steveo,

Yes, I did this on purpose.

I'm having this discussion about aggregating global groups with a few

people in apan and terena (the NREN associations for Asia Pacific and

Europe). I was hoping my email would be passed on to the people within

Internet2/surfnet who are across the co-manage and COIN initiatives,

as they are part the global group which I'm trying to encourage to

share the same (in the first instance) email list (and add to = wiki,

etc).

The aim is to have the discussion about how we create a directory that

can be hosted on each member's site, and which will point a shared

(co-managed) space.

So if you could pass this one to the relevant person, that would be good.

I'm not about to try and attempt to sign up on lots of different sites.

Regards,

simonfj

-----Original Message-----

From: Steve Olshansky [mailto:]

Sent: Friday, 7 January 2011 5:37 AM

To: simon Fenton- jones

Subject: Re: Aggregating Global Groups

Hi Simon-

We appreciate your interest in COmanage. You actually sent this to the

list owners and not to the list itself, which is

<>.

You will need to subscribe to the list before you can post to it.

Instructions are at http://www.internet2.edu/comanage/community.html

Cheers-

Steve

On Jan 5, 2011, at 6:59 PM, simon Fenton- jones wrote:

Happy New year Guys,

My name is Simon Fenton- Jones. I'm a member of a few NREN

communities

like terena.

If your ears are burning it's because we're talking about you on the

terena elists.

Thanks so much for the co-manage graphic. It's made it so much easier

to

explain to the less technical minds.

My primary interest, and the one which effects all of us, is the

development of the "Directory for external groups".

All of us, in our global groups, are 'external'. The aim, this year

we

might hope, is to have our National institutions share this directory.

What combination of tools these global may prefer to use is up to

them of

course. That said, Moodle users are a feeling a bit left out of the

domesticated application list at the moment.

So before you start moving things along, could we look at which

elist/forum you are going to be using, sharing, and collaborating on,

globally. And agree on where it might be hosted. And what directory

might be used to point to it.

If we can get that far we might have a chance of bringing together

and

Aggregating Global Groups' content and unifying their communications.

All the best for a prosperous 2011.

Regards,

simonfj

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• From: "simon Fenton- jones" <>
• To: "'James Sankar'" <>, "'Ong Bin Lay'" <>
• Cc: "'Lawrence WC Wong \(ECE Dept\)'" <>, "'Lee Bu Sung'" <>
• Subject: RE: Aggregating Global Groups
• Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:09:46 +1100

Title: Re: Aggregating Global Groups

>I may well have met our Singaporean friends during past APAN conferences :-)

Thanks james,

 

I was hoping you would say that.

Am in Sydney at the moment. But I’m hoping we might meet in Canberra. Never been to aarnet’s offices.

Perhaps late next week or the week after?

 

As far as “the plans” are concerned, let me be clear.

To start, the focus on one global group; the one which is trying to bring together the co-managed and COIN initiatives.

The aim is develop a directory for global groups, which can be hosted on all member’s web sites, and that points to  global group’s online space. (the “external” group’s directory, as they are called on Internet2’s co-manage page’s graphic)

 

I’ve just started this discussion with the manager of Internet2’s co-manage email list. I also know that you know Nils at surfnet, via Linkedin (if nowhere else), who I’ve just asked to join my Linkedin professional network.

 

You might have noticed, on the terena lists, that Stephan from nordunet/SUNET has pointed at their near equivalent. https://portal.nordu.net/display/COIP/Home (N.B. Demo site coming Soon)

 

The point in all of this is to start talking about how we point to a co-managed space (which directory we use) from each member’s (NREN) site so we don’t contribute to the fragmentation effect; as we were talking about on ‘your’ linkedin site.

 

If we can get that far, then we’re talking about where the co-managed group’s site may be hosted, and what it’s url may be called. My preference is Singapore, as they have a commercial approach to cloud services, have given each citizen a wifi account, and (as my father would say) “it’s easier to turn a battleship than a cruiser”.

 

Regards, simonfj

 

 

 

From: James Sankar [mailto:]
Sent: Thursday, 6 January 2011 5:37 PM
To: simon Fenton- jones; 'Ong Bin Lay'
Cc: 'Lawrence WC Wong (ECE Dept)'; 'Lee Bu Sung'
Subject: Re: Aggregating Global Groups

 

Hi Simon

I may well have met our Singaporean friends during past APAN conferences :-)

Happy to meet up and discuss thoughts on your plan, where and when?


Best wishes

James
Director, Applications & Services
AARNet Pty Ltd

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On 6/01/11 11:25 AM, "simon Fenton- jones" <> wrote:

Many thanks Bin Lay,
 
A happy New Year to you too.
Almost got my feet under a post-festive Australian desk after my trip around the European world, so no need to apologize.
 
I’ve started the discussion about Aggregating Global Groups, in Australia, with James@aarnet.
He’s just started a Linkedin group which provides the beginnings of a regional focus and is my network engineering mentor (whether he likes it or not J
http://www.linkedin.com/groups?mostPopular=&gid=3721861
 
As a common point of focus, perhaps you’d like to look at what Internet2 and Surfnet are starting to co-manage.
http://www.internet2.edu/comanage/
I’d like to see about an AP contingent here, as the global secretariat.  
 
James and I will be getting together sometime soon to discuss this (please James).
So perhaps we could have a VC once we’ve sized one another up and have clarified an agenda.
 
In the meantime thanks so much for the response, and if you have any public groups which have an interest in this discussion would you point me at their site/forums.
All the best,
simonfj
 
 
 
 

From: Ong Bin Lay []
Sent: Wednesday, 5 January 2011 1:39 PM
To:
Cc: Lawrence WC Wong (ECE Dept); Lee Bu Sung;
Subject: Aggregating Global Groups

Hi Simon,
 
This is  Bin Lay from SingAREN.  Here’s wishing you Happy New Year.
Apologies about the delayed response to your request.  
I have discussed with my management about this and they will like to engage you in a video conference to understand more.
 
May I propose the following dates & time:
 
1. 6 Jan, this Thu:  1830 – 1900 (GMT +8) – Singapore time
2. 7 Jan, this Fri: 1830 – 1900 (GMT +8) – Singapore time
3.  Week of 17 Jan
 
Do let me know your preferred slots based on the above, so I could make arrangements.  Thank you.
 
Regards,
Bin Lay


From: Simon Fenton - Jones []
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 12:21 AM
To:
Subject: Aggregating Global Groups

Dear Oong,
 
I’m reading your address off the APAN site, not the iDA’s.
 
My name is Simon Fenton-Jones. I’m a member of the Terena community, primarily with an interest in the development of interactive media.
 
One of the things I’m trying to encourage is the development of places in cyberspace for disciplinary-centric global groups. You’d understand that the world is globalizing very fast, and there are many opportunities created by aggregating content. One thing which seems to be stopping development is this old habit of hosting separate groups on the various NREN association sites (APAN, Internet2, Terena, etc) while the working groups themselves (or task forces as they are called in Terena) are all global ones these days. It’s only habit that we divide them into geographic regions. All except for CCIRN of course.
 
I’ve been keeping watch on various developments around the world over the years and have been travelling around Europe for the past 7 months meeting up with some of my correspondents. It appears that Singapore has a great advantage in acting as a leader here. It seems it so small that it can act as an incubator/working lab. E.g. While eduroam acts as a way to overcome “the last mile” for (global) researchers and academics, wireless@sg does it for the entire (national) population. And of course it stands between the English speaking and Chinese speaking worlds.
 
Is there any interest in running a “proof of concept” for the global group who would encompass the tf-media’s grouping (and perhaps for other groups like the CCIRN)? This would mean providing hosting services and a team who would develop the web/network design as well as provide secretariat services. (when i talk about secretariat services I do mean “digital journalism”)
 
I appreciate that this will need some ‘fleshing out’. But after 7 months in Europe I believe the timing is about right to bring this up now.
 
Regards,
Simon Fenton -Jones

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