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  • From: Niels van Dijk - SURFnet <>
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  • Subject: Re: [comanage-dev] Draft Minutes: COmanage-dev Call 29-Oct-2010
  • Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:14:37 +0100
  • Organization: SURFnet

Hi all,

just a quick ping:
- We are currently domesticating Foodle 3.0. to work with both Grouper and OpenSocial API based groups. Mr. Foodle (Andreas @UNINETT), is in sync with what we are doing.   Should be up around the end of this year. If you want in already, please let me know, and I'll be happy to bring you into contact with the developers over @SURFnet

In regard to calendaring: we seem to have a similar interest here. We have a workitem in the COIN program next year to work out a service that can sync calendar data from multiple sources and standards and pass that out in again multiple standards. We did not specifically look at products yet, but we did have a look at standards available (see the 2009 COIN report). As for products: Google and MS based calendaring are targets for us. And indeed we plan on having Foodle as a service in the coin platform for federated scheduling and then use the calandering broker service as a means to get that data back into the users local calendaring system.

That last sentense by the way hits an intrestign issue: How to figure out where that local calandering system atually is. A WIYCF (where is your calender from) interface does not seem very nice. Perhaps use a SAML attribute to point to the local calendar resource?

Cheers,
Niels

On 11/09/2010 05:05 PM, Emily Eisbruch wrote:
COmanage Call 29-Oct-2010

*Attending*

Heather Flanagan, Internet2 (chair) 
Ken Klingenstein, Internet2 
R.L. "Bob" Morgan, U. Washington  
Tom Barton, U. Chicago
Steven Carmody, Brown U. 
Jim Leous, Pennsylvania State U.  
Benn Oshrin, Internet2 
Renee Frost, Internet2 
Steve Olshansky, Internet2 
Emily Eisbruch, Internet2 (scribe) 

*New Action Items*

[AI] (Jim) will talk with Chris about the VOMS GUMS work done in the past for LIGO.

[AI] (Ken) will work on obtaining code for Foodle 3.0.

[AI] (TomB) will ask U. Chicago people to contribute an academic (intra-institutional) use case to the COmanage use case library. 

[AI] (Steven) will send Ann a list of potential targets for InCommon marketing.

*Carry Over Action Items*

[AI] (Ken) will draft a question for the survey concerning multiple affiliations and send it to the group for review.  

[AI] (Steven) will prepare a few slides on ESWN for Heather to use at the FMM session on VO/CO Topics (in progress)

[AI] (Heather) will share final report on IRODS with Bob.  

[AI] (Jim) will share ESWN call notes with the COmanage-dev list. 

[AI] (Steven or Jim) will write up the ESWN use case on the COmanage wiki. 

[AI] (Ken) will follow up on discussion with UK around collaboration platform work. 


DISCUSSION

IRODS

Heather reported on a recent call with IRODS to discuss iPlant requirements. (IRODS is former SRB Storage Resource Broker.) 


Definitions of federation were discussed on the IRODS call.

It was noted that CIC has also had discussions with IRODS regarding the CIC storage initiative. 

OSG

A recent call was also held with Open Science Grid. OSG supports several VOs but is not itself a VO. OSG expressed some interest in COmanage and much interest in the InCommon certificate service.

There have been emails with VOMS GUMS developers in Italy. That group is working on accepting SAML assertions and would welcome discussions about that.

Jim noted that there was work with VOMS GUMS for the LIGO project several years ago. 
[AI] (Jim) will talk with Chris about the VOMS GUMS work done in the past for LIGO.

Ken suggested that the Swiss and Dutch partners may have some helpful insights.

TomB has had discussions with ESnet regarding OSG joining InCommon. OSG is interested in SSL certs. 

Ken has had recent discussions with NSF and Networking and Information Technology Research and Development (NITRD) Program about InCommon participation and the advantages of becoming an IdP.

COmanage Wiki

Heather has been enhancing the COmanage wiki, including the glossary. She is particularly interested in feedback or additions to the use case library.

Jim will add the ESWN use case to the library in the multi-institutional category of the library.

TomB will add a campus-based use case, focusing on collaborators on the same campus using a common authentication and group management scheme for tools such as mail list, wiki, etc. U. Chicago and Penn State both have projects focusing on these needs. Tool domestication and a common UI is key. 

[AI] (TomB) will ask U. Chicago people to contribute an academic (intra-institutional) use case to the COmanage use case library. 

Calendaring

It was noted that calendaring is an especially tough problem when it comes to getting a broad community using the same tool. The focus must be on making tools interoperable. Steven stated that progress is being made on using web services interfaces to sync Microsoft Exchange and Bedework.

Microsoft is involved in CalConnect interop testing. 

It was agreed that it is important to look into federating/domesticating Zimbra as well as Bedework. 

Bedework is excellent for events calendaring. In the area of federated scheduling, there is a lot of work to be done.  Foodle seems to have promising capabilities in the area of federated scheduling.

TomB has recently connected Doodle with his Microsoft Outlook calendar and that seems to work well.

Jim would like access to Foodle 3.0 code. 
[AI] (Ken) will work on obtaining code for Foodle 3.0.

2010 Fall Member Meeting in Atlanta

Heather is working on the VO/CO track session at FMM. One speaker had to withdraw. Another (Nirav from iPlant) will be brought in remotely if possible.

Benn will present at several working group and track sessions.

It was suggested that a discussion at FMM of OpenID and/or Facebook Connect as authentication vehicles would be worthwhile. Heather added this to the agenda for the COmanage WG at FMM. 

Ken noted that Von Welch and others are working on a roadmap to InCommon. There are parts that concern domestication and so overlap with COmanage. Domestication is a powerful tool for federation.


Next Call: Friday, Nov. 12 at 2 pm ET



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